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76. Don't go off on a tangent.

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Why we should worry about extreme religion.... [View all] Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 OP

Bookmarked. rug Sep 2014 #1

Also bookmarked and rec'd. nt Htom Sirveaux Sep 2014 #2

I lasted about 16 minutes. avebury Sep 2014 #3

This is what missing the point looks like. rug Sep 2014 #4

How so? nt Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #5

Two points. rug Sep 2014 #6

Who ever said that I was comparing Quiverfull to ISIS? avebury Sep 2014 #8

You did. rug Sep 2014 #14

The Islamic religion has sought to achieve religious domination for centuries. avebury Sep 2014 #16

Odd you even asked the question. rug Sep 2014 #17

There is little difference in the aims of the extreme fundie groups of all religions LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #94

I see a big difference in what they contemplate. rug Sep 2014 #95

I would argue that Dominionists differ not by what they contemplate, LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #101

I am not so sure that the Dominonists are just talk. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #10

No, I haven't seen you say that but it has been said in here often enough. rug Sep 2014 #15

ISIS is one sect of islamic fundamentalists. Just one. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #19

"Religion" means different things to different people. Htom Sirveaux Sep 2014 #7

People who use the concept of "religion" to try to avebury Sep 2014 #9

Can there be genuine religion apart from and opposed to these things, in your opinion? Htom Sirveaux Sep 2014 #11

There is nothing wrong with religion as long as it is not avebury Sep 2014 #12

Thank you for clarifying those points. Htom Sirveaux Sep 2014 #13

Well for starters teaching people to believe in irrational nonsense is a huge enabler Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #23

That post is a prime example of "irrational nonsense". rug Sep 2014 #24

Belief in invisible beings is irrational phil89 Sep 2014 #28

No it isn't. It lacks evidence. rug Sep 2014 #29

Um. Yes. Please. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #32

Evidence, as most commonlyused in the group, is observation subject to scientific scrutiny. rug Sep 2014 #34

What datum? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #35

The given in this case is that there is a God. rug Sep 2014 #37

'Given' from where? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #38

In logic, a given is a given. Period. The rationality is what follows it, not precedes it. rug Sep 2014 #39

"cannot be reasoned into." AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #40

To your ear, perhaps. rug Sep 2014 #54

I could see holding an unsupported, no-evidence-in-evidence AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #55

Belief is an entirely different subject. But rationality is found in belief as well as skepticism. rug Sep 2014 #56

I can see how it can make sense *to the individual* but it always seems to break down AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #57

In mathematics, one starts with axioms Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #70

"As classically conceived, an axiom is a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #75

Don't go off on a tangent. rug Sep 2014 #76

Not my tangent. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #77

It's a joke. rug Sep 2014 #78

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #79

See, can't we all get along? rug Sep 2014 #80

Of course, you carefully neglected to quote the next sentence from the Wikipedia article Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #83

Which I also accept, and I don't think that changes anything. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #84

Of course it does Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #85

And if you look at what I said, it works for either. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #86

And then you claim that a proposition which is given without proof Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #87

But that's what you do when an axiom is proposed. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #88

Let's have the definition again: Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #90

Yes, and that's exactly what I said. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #92

No, it is not what you said Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #93

Why don't you go ahead and quote the part where I used the word 'Disproven'. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #96

You're right, you did not use the words "disproven left and right" Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #98

I said i would accept either use. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #99

You said, "I accept either one, and I don't think that changes anything." Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #102

Simple. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #103

You claim that the result is the same, no matter which definition you use Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #104

Hahahahaha oh man. You're really reaching here. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #105

You seem more interested in scoring debating points than actually getting somewhere Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #106

That's exactly what I was thinking about you. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #107

Except that I am interested in getting somewhere, you are not. Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #108

Logic is only as good as what you feed into it phil89 Sep 2014 #82

I see you're still grappling with the difference between evidence and reason. rug Sep 2014 #89

Apparently you do... phil89 Sep 2014 #81

You're repeating yourself. So will I. "You're wrong." rug Sep 2014 #91

"Belief in invisible things is irrational"? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #42

But there is a huge difference between Quiverfull and Islamic Fundamentalism and cbayer Sep 2014 #21

Is it ok if we are opposed to the concept of religion? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #25

Opposed to the concept? cbayer Sep 2014 #26

Well, I'm trying not to ascribe negative connotation. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #27

If you base your world view on the supposition that those cbayer Sep 2014 #30

But there are some problems here... AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #31

I could care less about Adam and Eve. cbayer Sep 2014 #33

Sure, and it's possible to tell the story of Noah's Ark without the genocide overtones. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #36

Yep, that's true about Noah's ark. cbayer Sep 2014 #41

"can't for the life of you figure out why others don't see it like you do." AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #43

You read things through your own distorted prisms cbayer Sep 2014 #45

It was conveniently translated into english. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #46

I'm done with you for now. "night. cbayer Sep 2014 #48

You have not a leg to stand on. 'Good night'. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #50

"Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures" AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #52

When you get back, can you let me know what this says without my 'filters'? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #53

Really? You really have to run to the clubhouse to get reinforcement for your position? cbayer Sep 2014 #47

False accusation. Feigned outrage. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #49

It is a metaphor, an allegory, a psycho bastard murderous all powerful patriachal diety Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #72

nice, really classy. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #74

"I always thought of it as an environmental tale " Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #71

Of course it's an environmental tale, Warren! trotsky Sep 2014 #73

Couldn't put up with watching the whole thing, but most edgineered Sep 2014 #18

I appreciate your synopsis of this. cbayer Sep 2014 #22

Probably something I should have done. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #60

There will always be those who use religion as a vehicle for motivating others. edgineered Sep 2014 #62

I can't disagree with this Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #63

Even in isolated areas people will come together and create edgineered Sep 2014 #64

Can't we just have a pot luck? Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #65

Pot luck works fine for me. edgineered Sep 2014 #66

I totally agree that those with similar political agendas need to work together cbayer Sep 2014 #20

We hear it often Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #61

Who is this "we" you are referring to? cbayer Sep 2014 #69

Why would you worry about posting this in this group? cbayer Sep 2014 #44

Defend what this woman was involved in, probably not. trotsky Sep 2014 #58

You might have noticed Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #59

I do notice that and I salute you for doing it. cbayer Sep 2014 #68

You are right, my fears were not justified. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #97

I think there are things said about people that post in this group that are not true. cbayer Sep 2014 #100

Good post! This is an excellent place for a post such as this. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #51

Extemism in any form or venue is crippling. Most, thankfully see through it eventually. pinto Sep 2014 #67