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Goblinmonger

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1. You might want to spend some time thinking

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:36 AM

Sep 2014

about this obsession you have with Dawkins. You start OPs about him quite a bit.

You know he's just a guy, right? That he has no atheist superpowers?

Maybe you want to call out sexism in people that actually have the ability to make some change in their organization. Or that are actually part of an organization. I bet if you think hard enough, you can come up with some people.

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Richard Dawkins has lost it: ignorant sexism gives atheists a bad name [View all] rug Sep 2014 OP

You might want to spend some time thinking Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #1

You might want to spend some time thinking rug Sep 2014 #2

I don't care about criticism of Dawkins. He ain't my leader. Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #6

Ah, then your obsession must be with me. rug Sep 2014 #8

Because I respond to what you post in a public forum? Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #21

It's not that you respond, it's how you respond. rug Sep 2014 #26

Noting an alleged SLIGHT trend to sexism in Atheism, does seem hypocritical coming from a Catholic Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #43

"It's not that you respond, it's how you respond" cleanhippie Sep 2014 #47

Now my advice to you would be entirely different. rug Sep 2014 #48

You just keep up that self-help. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #66

I do. You should try it. The need is obvious. rug Sep 2014 #71

The need to respond to a person with 60,000 posts +, is obvious. Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #132

Your post isn't. rug Sep 2014 #133

Oh look the "I get the last word in" game.... AlbertCat Sep 2014 #136

That explains why you replied. rug Sep 2014 #137

See? I told you. AlbertCat Sep 2014 #139

It has zero effect on you because you're a man. okasha Sep 2014 #45

For someone who feels free to comment on reading comprehension Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #46

Is there a correlation between Dawkins atheism and his sexism? TexasProgresive Sep 2014 #3

None. rug Sep 2014 #4

One person does not show a correlation Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #9

Many more than one are discussed in the article. rug Sep 2014 #10

I did read the article, it was focused primarily on Dawkins Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #15

"endemic" is not limited to one person. rug Sep 2014 #16

The headline of the article you posted implies he gives all atheists a bad name Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #17

That's their headline and your inference. rug Sep 2014 #27

Just as the word endemic was their word and your inference Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #39

Endemic is a pretty universally understood word. rug Sep 2014 #49

The headline is just as easily understood Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #55

It's not a science journal. Nice diversion though. rug Sep 2014 #58

You said in another post in this very thread that you needed data to determine correlation Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #59

The OP is about sexism within atheist organizations. Why are you so relecuctant to discuss it? rug Sep 2014 #61

I have been trying to discuss it Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #64

No you haven't. rug Sep 2014 #74

Provide me data to discuss and I will discuss it Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #76

Oh bullshit. Tu quoque is evident in every post you've made in this thread. rug Sep 2014 #78

Just provide the data and we can discuss it Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #81

How much data do you need before you're prepared to discuss sexism? rug Sep 2014 #84

Well I certainly need something more than zero pieces of data Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #87

Ok, feel free to post whenever you are ready to actually discuss sexism. rug Sep 2014 #89

I am more than willing to discuss sexism, what I am not willing to do is focus entirely on atheists Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #91

Well that what this thread is about despite your efforts at derailment. rug Sep 2014 #92

What does Rug make of the higher percentage of males in science and engineering? Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #11

rug does not answer questions phrased in the third person. rug Sep 2014 #12

Note only about 1/3 of PhD's in sci. & engineering, academically employed, are female. Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #42

There seems to be quite a few members of my gender TexasProgresive Sep 2014 #18

I wonder how sexist views in the male atheist leadership correlate with LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #19

Which do you think has a higher r score Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #22

I think there is a much larger problem with sexism within the RCC, but cbayer Sep 2014 #23

Need data. rug Sep 2014 #25

The data on RCC is too obvious to need formal citation. Priests: 1) Male 100%; 2) Female 0% Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #33

Oh, "too obvious". That's convincing. rug Sep 2014 #37

100% MALE priests doesn't say ANYTHING to you? How about "Beyond God the Father," by Mary Daly? Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #41

You're resorting to caps again, Mark. rug Sep 2014 #52

And you're ignoring the scholarly reference, as usual Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #119

I've seen more scholarly references on graffiti at the Union Square subway stop rug Sep 2014 #122

Guess you never even saw the dozen or so professional psychiatric journal articles I discussed? Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #129

I saw the links you put up. I also saw the graffiti. I compared them. rug Sep 2014 #134

Graffiti can be quite clever to be sure Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #135

So can you present data on the correlation between sexism and atheism? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #40

By all means present it. rug Sep 2014 #51

100% of priests, cardinals, and popes throughout history have been males Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #56

And? Do you think that's prima facie evidence of sexism? rug Sep 2014 #57

Yes, making leadership open to only men is evidence of sexism Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #60

It's yet to elect a woman. rug Sep 2014 #62

So... tonedevil Sep 2014 #63

It still hasn't elected a woman. That's apparently the standard. rug Sep 2014 #72

But they would elect a women if the voters elected a woman Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #65

Ah, so the American electorate is now sexist. rug Sep 2014 #73

You are the one that brought up the electoral college, not me Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #75

You are the one that brought up 260+ male Popes over 2,000 years as a prima facie case of sexism. rug Sep 2014 #77

So atheists are fair game but The Catholic Church is off limits Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #79

Lol! How long have you been reading this forum? rug Sep 2014 #80

Long enough to know that you hold atheists to a much higher standard than you hold the RCC Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #82

Oh, yes, the DU Religion Group is nothing but atheist bashing and Papal adulation. rug Sep 2014 #83

I have said that I am willing to address it, I just want to see the data Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #85

No you don't. If you did, you would have a dozen posts ago. rug Sep 2014 #86

I can't discuss data that doesn't exist Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #88

Ah, sexism does not exist without data. rug Sep 2014 #90

Where did I say that? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #93

You didn't. In fact, you won't even discuss it. rug Sep 2014 #94

I will discuss the issue of sexism in general terms without any new data Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #97

Then I think it's time I limit the discussion. rug Sep 2014 #98

Good idea, you clearly can't back up your claim of a correlation between sexism and atheism Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #99

That i can, but I cannot stay on a carousel with someone clearly evading the topic at hand. rug Sep 2014 #101

If the topic at hand is sexism then I have been discussing sexism Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #104

Bullshit. You have refused to discuss, simpering behind a demand for "data" on another subject. rug Sep 2014 #105

We can discuss sexism in general Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #106

See who wrote the article. rug Sep 2014 #107

Atheism is not an "organized movement" Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #108

Of course it's not. rug Sep 2014 #109

Just because there is an atheist web site that does not make atheism an organized movement Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #110

No, of course not. rug Sep 2014 #111

Oooh...there is more than one atheist group Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #112

Not only are there many, but there's sexual harassment in many ofthem. rug Sep 2014 #113

Which atheist groups specifically have issues with sexual harrassment? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #114

The links are all in the article. rug Sep 2014 #115

It sounds like she did experience sexist behavior at an atheist convention Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #116

100% of American Presidents okasha Sep 2014 #68

You do understand edhopper Sep 2014 #69

Tsarist Russia okasha Sep 2014 #102

You are right edhopper Sep 2014 #118

Here's some more you can think about. okasha Sep 2014 #126

Yes you are right of course edhopper Sep 2014 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author okasha Sep 2014 #103

That's odd coming from the person who said this: Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #44

Oh, that's easy. I can read and understand words that start with "e". rug Sep 2014 #50

Yet, oddly, you don't consider it endemic when 100% of the leadership positions in the RCC Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #53

See post 26. rug Sep 2014 #54

As an atheist who doesn't attend lots of conferences, etc., I don't see the sexism Nay Sep 2014 #31

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see a lot of this coming from the Libertarian contingent. rug Sep 2014 #38

Good thing atheism has no phil89 Sep 2014 #5

Bur now it has need for a Code of Conduct at conferences. rug Sep 2014 #7

It may not have rules, tenets or commandments, but there is certainly dogma cbayer Sep 2014 #14

I would love to see him really get some enlightenment here, cbayer Sep 2014 #13

You know Dawkins has you on ignore, yes? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #20

Lol. Honestly, at times I think he has the whole world on ignore. cbayer Sep 2014 #24

Lol. I will give him this. He does not resort to such cowardly tactics. rug Sep 2014 #28

Pope Francis has lost it: ignorant sexism gives Christians a bad name Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #29

Really? rug Sep 2014 #30

Do you think there may be a problem with sexism within some of the atheist cbayer Sep 2014 #32

Point being, why does one person tarnish all atheists but one person doesn't tarnish all Christians? Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #34

Who tarnishes all atheists? cbayer Sep 2014 #35

used to be that if someone was tearing up Catholic Hosts, condemning fairy tales and Santa Claus MisterP Sep 2014 #36

Well edhopper Sep 2014 #67

Well rug Sep 2014 #70

Are you accusing him of edhopper Sep 2014 #95

Read it again. rug Sep 2014 #96

Okay edhopper Sep 2014 #100

Who drew that conclusion? cbayer Sep 2014 #117

Generally it has been held that males do better in Science, Math - or Formal Reason, in effect Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #120

Please stop. I am not going to discuss this with you. cbayer Sep 2014 #121

It's the main question at hand, in the OP that you've presented. Why are you avoiding it? Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #130

something is wrong with your definition of "critical thinking" carolinayellowdog Sep 2014 #123

+1 rug Sep 2014 #127

Still, it's hard to think of really great librarians. Though some did exist. Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #131

Males are not overwhelmingly dominant in 'science' LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #138

Atheism doesn't depend on Richard Dawkins and his attitudes and actions LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #124

Thanks for your perspective; maybe it's Americans in need of "spiritual authority" carolinayellowdog Sep 2014 #125