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Prophet 451

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24. I don't feel that's true though

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:51 PM

Sep 2014

If I didn't believe god to exist, then I wouldn't describe myself as a man of faith. I'd be an atheist. You have to remember that for those of us who believe, we experience feedback in the form of gnosis with our chosen deity (Lucifer, in my case). Now, could we all be suffering from some form of mental illness? Yes, that's possible. But I actually am mentally ill. I know what teh visions and voices that accompany that feel like and religious gnosis feels entirely different.

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"If there is a god, he will have to beg my forgiveness." [View all] raccoon Sep 2014 OP

Heartbreaking and entirely understandable. cbayer Sep 2014 #1

Yes... In nearly any other context, the statement would seem hlthe2b Sep 2014 #4

Why is it just this context? DerekG Sep 2014 #48

"Anyone who bears witness to meaningless suffering and the triumph of evil should be expected to..." hlthe2b Sep 2014 #50

And why do you disqualify other contexts as 'clueless'? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #79

No kidding. calimary Sep 2014 #106

I can see the logic jambo101 Sep 2014 #2

If there is a God safeinOhio Sep 2014 #3

if we were perfect from the get go we would not need to be here to learn anything because roguevalley Sep 2014 #12

Why do we need to learn anything? Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #88

we have free will to exercise. otherwise, life is pointless. Why come here if we roguevalley Sep 2014 #89

This is a lovely way of seeing things and one that is apparently growing among evangelical cbayer Sep 2014 #90

I live and die for this planet. I lived in Oregon half my life and the rest here in Alaska. roguevalley Sep 2014 #92

You are a precious human, roguevalley. cbayer Sep 2014 #94

and you too, cbayer. I find that nothing done for the good is ever roguevalley Sep 2014 #99

Like this, roguevalley! I find myself talking to God whenever I'm alone. calimary Sep 2014 #107

I agree, Calimary. Our ancestors felt the same way and as I get older, the things that don't roguevalley Oct 2014 #110

We are life forms. Yes, more complex than some other life forms, but still just life forms. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #91

I do too. what i feel in my spirit embodied by god/the creator/the spirit that lifts and binds all roguevalley Sep 2014 #93

There is Auschwitz and so ... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #5

That's not true Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #10

Then why call it... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #13

Now that is an excellent quote. gcomeau Sep 2014 #16

What else should we call it? n/t Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #17

Nonexistent, Absent, Unreal, Fictional, Imaginary (take your pick) (nt) NeoGreen Sep 2014 #18

If you make a claim that god is nonexistent, etc, cbayer Sep 2014 #19

I was merely providing synonyms... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #20

But those aren't synonyms, they are claims. cbayer Sep 2014 #21

Positions (i.e. claims) based on... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #22

You have direct and/or falsifiable observations that there is no god? cbayer Sep 2014 #23

What a peach you are. trotsky Sep 2014 #28

Auschwitz, starving children, EvilAL Sep 2014 #83

That's not proof of there being no god. cbayer Sep 2014 #86

It's proof enough for me. EvilAL Sep 2014 #95

And that is entirely cool. cbayer Sep 2014 #96

Thanks, I just find it odd EvilAL Sep 2014 #97

They just see it differently. cbayer Sep 2014 #98

If you claim there are no vampires or ghosts, there's also phil89 Sep 2014 #51

Yes that is correct, there is a burden of proof is you make a definitive claim. cbayer Sep 2014 #54

No, you were making a claim Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #25

One cannot prove a negative, i.e. that God does not exist. Maedhros Sep 2014 #27

One can certainly prove a negative. cbayer Sep 2014 #30

Not quite that simple. trotsky Sep 2014 #32

Technically, the scientific method would be this: Maedhros Sep 2014 #38

Don't agree. cbayer Sep 2014 #40

I myself would not make a claim that God exists or does not exist, Maedhros Sep 2014 #44

No you can't. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #66

Your example fails. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #65

No, the burden of proof is on those who make a positive claim. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #43

That is exactly my position. cbayer Sep 2014 #46

Dismissing someone's claim that there IS a god, as fantasy, does not shift the burden of proof. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #80

How do you prove a negative? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #49

I'll wait. What a condescending phrase. cbayer Sep 2014 #53

Still waiting... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #55

I am not a man. cbayer Sep 2014 #57

That's not the same argument. But nice try. truebrit71 Sep 2014 #58

Yes I can. But nice try on your part. cbayer Sep 2014 #59

Nope. truebrit71 Sep 2014 #60

Well, I would consider the claim that there is no god pretty extraordinary. cbayer Sep 2014 #62

Wait- you think it quite likely that gods exist? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #68

I'm not the one saying there's a supreme being... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #73

No, you are not and I would agree that anyone making that claim cbayer Sep 2014 #74

Again, that's not the argument is it? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #75

Yes, I am incapable of admitting I am wrong�. cbayer Sep 2014 #76

Platitudes and smilies... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #77

I thought logical fallacies were a sure sign that one had nothing Lordquinton Sep 2014 #102

M'lord. Your posts are beginning to come across as somewhat desperate. cbayer Sep 2014 #103

well mrs. bayer Lordquinton Sep 2014 #105

Yes, that is all I have. cbayer Sep 2014 #109

But yet you never - NEVER - jump on anyone making that positive claim... trotsky Sep 2014 #87

Maybe you should tell him about Santa Claus. rug Sep 2014 #61

Shhhh�� He is teaching me here. cbayer Sep 2014 #63

please proceed. Do not use the proof that you are a woman. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #72

Oh here we go. Stuck in a losing argument Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #67

Surely you hold the same position wrt Santa. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64

you gonna tell roguevalley the same thing? Lordquinton Sep 2014 #100

Of course I would tell her the same thing�. cbayer Sep 2014 #101

pointing out problematic behavior is not a personal attack. Lordquinton Sep 2014 #104

Yes it is a personal attack. cbayer Sep 2014 #108

I don't feel that's true though Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #24

Look at the second question and answer in that quote. Mariana Sep 2014 #69

Many people seem to have a very hard time Mariana Sep 2014 #70

I can sort-of understand it Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #78

Gott Mit... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #6

That looks like the WWI german army buckle. This is the WWII version. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #81

When I did my image search... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #84

Oh, I fully agree. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #85

The question is not where god was in Auschwitz.... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #7

Depends gcomeau Sep 2014 #8

If god is for us... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #14

In charge. n/t A HERETIC I AM Sep 2014 #9

Only of the good stuff, apparently. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #26

The christians were in the fucking guard towers. Running the trains. Pointing guns at the prisoners AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #82

God has a lot to apologise for Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #11

See Post #13 (NT) NeoGreen Sep 2014 #15

The basis of my disavowal of religion Maedhros Sep 2014 #29

Depends on the religious Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #31

I think it was Vonnegut who said that if there is a God, he is utterly indifferent to humanity. Maedhros Sep 2014 #34

That's closest to deism Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #35

It's my reason for rejecting religion. Maedhros Sep 2014 #37

That's fair enough Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #41

As there are many, many ideas about god, how can cbayer Sep 2014 #33

Maybe "as described" would be a better way of phrasing that. Maedhros Sep 2014 #36

So that is one description of god, but there cbayer Sep 2014 #39

I try to learn as much as I can about different religions. Maedhros Sep 2014 #42

It's great that you have learned about different religions. cbayer Sep 2014 #45

Oh, I agree. I'm not crusading, just explaining why I myself reject religiion. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #47

Which god? phil89 Sep 2014 #52

Exactly. BTW, if you want to put NT in your post, you really need to put it in the subject line. NT cbayer Sep 2014 #56

btw it is really condescending to scold people about typos and other bullshit. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #71