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87. So, what is your understanding?

Mon Sep 29, 2014, 12:14 PM

Sep 2014

And which version of the bible do you read? Whose sermon on the topic do you agree with. Are you psychic? It appears you KNOW all about my thought process. And lastly, are YOU judging ME?

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Cherry picking the bible [View all] Cartoonist Sep 2014 OP

Cognative dissonance. immoderate Sep 2014 #1

Absolutely right. It's the reason why, for example, mr blur Sep 2014 #5

"Both read the bible day and night, xfundy Sep 2014 #2

Why is God down on the effeminate? Maedhros Sep 2014 #3

Yeah, but how is a guy who walks on water supposed to take a bath? Thor_MN Sep 2014 #4

Yeah! That's right! Jesus was a big stinkpot! cbayer Sep 2014 #10

This was the King James version Cartoonist Sep 2014 #6

Is poofer a word that is in vogue for you? cbayer Sep 2014 #11

Perhaps some outrage is in order? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #23

Indeed, it is. okasha Sep 2014 #46

Yes but "poofer" isn't. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64

Funny, that. trotsky Sep 2014 #67

Wrong. okasha Sep 2014 #86

Where I stand is that the bible is full of homophobic shit and should be ridiculed Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #99

Wrong again. okasha Sep 2014 #111

Yet you chime in as to what is and (usually isn't) atheist bigotry Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #119

I have never attempted to tell any atheist okasha Sep 2014 #120

And lots of them have decided exactly that. trotsky Sep 2014 #128

Faux outrage. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author okasha Sep 2014 #47

"poofter" is a common slang term for "gay" here (UK) Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #214

Is it slang or is it a slur? cbayer Oct 2014 #239

Generally, a slur Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #241

That is what I thought and why I raised an objection to it's use. cbayer Oct 2014 #242

And you completely skipped merrily past the use of 'effeminate'. Must be unconscious as well. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #258

Impressive deflection. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #256

Where do you get the idea that god is down on the effeminate? cbayer Sep 2014 #9

From the OP: Maedhros Sep 2014 #15

Interestingly, that only occurs in some versions and is exactly why cbayer Sep 2014 #18

I was simply pointing out the irony of the passage Maedhros Sep 2014 #24

The best approach is ignoring them all. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #126

And if that works for you, that's great. cbayer Sep 2014 #127

I don't concede that believing in fairtales as good for anyone. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #130

I don't concede that religious beliefs are fairytales, cbayer Sep 2014 #131

We can use fiction instead of fairlytales if you prefer. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #132

You can use whatever you want, but you would be hard cbayer Sep 2014 #133

Not at all Gore1FL Sep 2014 #136

That is not what you said. cbayer Sep 2014 #137

Again with the proving a negative concept? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #140

No, taking a stance that something is fiction cbayer Sep 2014 #142

And yet you just can't help but be condescending can you? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #143

Oh, I can help it, but you make it so very easy. cbayer Sep 2014 #144

So condescension is de rigeur for you... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #146

Hey, what happened to the little guy rolling all over the floor? cbayer Sep 2014 #148

Speaking of nothing... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #155

Ok, so you are not going to address the substance. cbayer Sep 2014 #157

Substance of what? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #161

"you haven't said anything of substance yet…" cbayer Sep 2014 #166

It's pretty clear that religion exists Gore1FL Sep 2014 #147

Wait, so did someone make up gravity, too? cbayer Sep 2014 #149

No. Gravity is a force of nature. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #151

A force of nature? cbayer Sep 2014 #152

Fine. Prove he exists and we'll all just shut up. truebrit71 Sep 2014 #153

I don't know if there is a god or not and have absolutely no interest cbayer Sep 2014 #154

"we" would be all of the people that take the position that there is no god... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #159

So you speak for all atheists? Really? cbayer Sep 2014 #164

"Where in the world do you get the idea that I believe/worship a god?" truebrit71 Sep 2014 #174

The atheist flame bait I post almost daily? cbayer Sep 2014 #175

The poster loves, just relishes, playing her "oh you think I'm a theist" gotcha card. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #179

Name one religion that isn't man-made. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #160

Man made? I have no idea what you mean by that. cbayer Sep 2014 #165

If it came from a supernatural source, please cite evidence that it did. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #167

I have no evidence and do not have any interest in taking the position that cbayer Sep 2014 #169

"We" = the human race. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #170

You speak for the human race? Really? cbayer Sep 2014 #172

take this up with your husband Lordquinton Sep 2014 #178

Nah, I'll let you do that. cbayer Sep 2014 #180

there may be 5 forces of nature or maybe 6, maybe thousands. We know about 4. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #158

Well, "religion" is true, what we are discussing is whether some cbayer Sep 2014 #162

I don't need footing to point out that the bullshit people say is not backed by evidence. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #171

But that is not what you said. cbayer Sep 2014 #173

I use the definition of "Fiction." Gore1FL Sep 2014 #185

Resonable defintion. cbayer Sep 2014 #186

You should probably stop digging at some point. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #189

No, the contradictions just make it, well, contradictory. cbayer Sep 2014 #190

Contradictory things cannot be simultaneously true. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #201

That would be correct, but all it means is that one of this is likely cbayer Oct 2014 #238

It means the book that presents them both as true is false. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2014 #244

The book doesn't do anything. cbayer Oct 2014 #245

If the stories are known to be questionable Gore1FL Oct 2014 #248

That is why one must read them with a questioning mind. cbayer Oct 2014 #250

It's a collections of books that are demonstrably wrong or unprovable. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #252

Ok, so reject them completely if you choose. cbayer Oct 2014 #255

I have before you even gave me permission. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #260

No. It has been observed and better understood over the years. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #200

And mathematics? LTX Sep 2014 #196

Mathematics describe how the universe operates. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #198

You did not answer the question. LTX Sep 2014 #199

It depends on what you mean by "mathematics." Gore1FL Sep 2014 #203

Really? My goodness, you are the first person I've encountered LTX Sep 2014 #208

How did you not understand my answer? Gore1FL Sep 2014 #209

So you simply repeat your unsupported assertion. LTX Sep 2014 #211

An assertion that apparently escapes you. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #212

What about lawn darts? You left out lawn darts. LTX Oct 2014 #236

You should probably start with something simple. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #243

Wow, you really should back off. cbayer Oct 2014 #246

I didn't impunge the intelligence of another poster. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #247

Okey, dokey. Just trying to give you a heads up. cbayer Oct 2014 #249

I would hope that the jury bothers to read for context then. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #251

See, you are digging yourself in deeper here. cbayer Oct 2014 #254

One only need to scroll up. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #259

Honestly, cbayer, LTX Oct 2014 #262

I am not sure what to make of this, but it stopped being fun some time ago. cbayer Oct 2014 #263

An automated response program, LTX Oct 2014 #264

If I were going to program something, I wouldn't program this. cbayer Oct 2014 #265

It is rather embarrasingly basic. Maybe LTX Oct 2014 #267

Inadvertently embrace Poe's law! Love it. cbayer Oct 2014 #268

Of course, LTX Oct 2014 #266

Here's a little joke that seems to suit our conversation. LTX Oct 2014 #261

Jesus became a a cracker? I don't know I haven't heard this one. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #269

This message was self-deleted by its author Gore1FL Sep 2014 #224

Those "iron-age peasants" also forged the foundations of geometry, architecture, law, LTX Sep 2014 #195

We've built better understandings since that time on those topics. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #197

The evolution of abstractions is not a predicate for dismissal of the foundations on which LTX Sep 2014 #205

We have expanded on them Gore1FL Sep 2014 #206

I never knew. We've "eliminated" those things that we have "disproven by math." LTX Sep 2014 #210

You really need to read for comprehension. You are embarrassing yourself. n/t Gore1FL Sep 2014 #213

Now you've gone to the extreme of making his worldview a paperboard cut out or some sort of Leontius Sep 2014 #219

He didn't do that. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #225

Give him credit. LTX Oct 2014 #237

"written by Iron Age peasants?" okasha Sep 2014 #215

Thanks for conceding. n/t Gore1FL Sep 2014 #217

Not the peasants. okasha Sep 2014 #220

so you'd prefer the more technically correct "came up with" as opposed to "wrote." Gore1FL Sep 2014 #222

I'm fine with "wrote." okasha Sep 2014 #226

Your title totally contradicts the body of your post. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #227

Eh? okasha Sep 2014 #228

At least something exists in my head. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #235

How do you get away with it? rug Sep 2014 #7

He only gets away with it because others respond. cbayer Sep 2014 #12

I'm begining to believe in reincarnation, one of the Three died and was reborn Leontius Sep 2014 #42

Lol, the lost years. rug Sep 2014 #45

Jesus, the missing years... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #59

John Prine's a great songwriter. rug Sep 2014 #79

Yes, indeed. DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #81

Ha. I lived in Hyde Park during those years. cbayer Sep 2014 #83

Wow, that's a blast from the past... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #93

The Blue Gargoyle was a coffeehouse in my father's church. cbayer Sep 2014 #94

His intro to The Missing Years is hilarious. cbayer Sep 2014 #80

How does who get away with it? cbayer Sep 2014 #8

And he should alert Greek scholars okasha Sep 2014 #13

Well he has an acute sense and is here to educate all of us. cbayer Sep 2014 #14

The whole fucking thing isn't meaningful. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #17

You'd be hard pressed to pick a chapter in the bible that isn't a horrible fucked up AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #16

You know you're right all that shit about all are brothers, love one another, all are equal Leontius Sep 2014 #19

Yeah! And all that crap about peace, charity and social justice, cbayer Sep 2014 #20

I note you didn't cite a specific section. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #21

The problem with the Sermon on the mount is that it contains some rather Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #22

Naw maaaaan, that's cherry picking! No fair! AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #25

You'd be hard pressed to find any passages that wasn't grosslyy changed BlueStreak Sep 2014 #75

Robert M. Price, "The Bible Geek", calls it "Bible as a ventriloquist dummy." longship Sep 2014 #26

Calling it the Hypocrites Handbook rock Sep 2014 #27

Cherry-picking can have a positive side, though. E_Pluribus_Unitarian Sep 2014 #28

Agree. Very well said. cbayer Sep 2014 #29

The Hypocrites in the Temple Cartoonist Sep 2014 #30

It doesn't have to be either the literal word of god or just some book written by some guy. cbayer Sep 2014 #32

It definitely cannot be the literal word of god for SOME of it. trotsky Sep 2014 #68

There is no atheist pie. Leontius Sep 2014 #35

Judge not, lest ye be judged Cartoonist Sep 2014 #43

I am interested in what your take on adulterers is from a moral or ethical viewpoint? cbayer Sep 2014 #51

Probably plucking out the eyes of adulterers is too extreme. And stoning them to death. Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #73

If I thought you had any understanding of what that verse means your comment would Leontius Sep 2014 #82

So, what is your understanding? Cartoonist Sep 2014 #87

Uh oh!! Looks like you are about to join the legions that are being placed on ignore! cbayer Sep 2014 #89

There will be much wailing and nashing of teeth. Leontius Sep 2014 #108

Touch of arrogance there? mr blur Sep 2014 #100

Just based on experience and the patterns of ignorance some posters show Leontius Sep 2014 #107

Great statement by Cartoonist Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #74

Why bother? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #37

A cleric speaks. Cartoonist Sep 2014 #31

Irrelevant. okasha Sep 2014 #44

Its a very weak thread in terms of supporting this argument. cbayer Sep 2014 #48

That seems to be a recurring problem with this poster. okasha Sep 2014 #52

He's on a mission, a crusade, if you will. cbayer Sep 2014 #53

Stay classy. trotsky Sep 2014 #70

Same god. mr blur Sep 2014 #63

Yes. Islam says its Allah is the same as the God of the Jews Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #72

Same irrelevance. okasha Sep 2014 #112

Only if you are a Christocentric Islamophobe Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #138

Still irrelevant. okasha Sep 2014 #193

But the exact same religious reasoning. Therefore, relevant. trotsky Sep 2014 #69

Every religion customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #33

If you have ever picked cherries or any other fruit, you wouldn't need to ask. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #34

Definition Cartoonist Sep 2014 #36

You are giving them too much credit Cartoonist. Promethean Sep 2014 #38

That's because there is no substance. okasha Sep 2014 #39

That's fine, but calling the rare uinoffensive bits the "Word of God" doesn't work convincingly. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #125

Them? Them who? cbayer Sep 2014 #49

OK, let's examine what you actually said. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #40

God wrote it, I believe it Cartoonist Sep 2014 #41

A bumper sticker? OMG. cbayer Sep 2014 #50

As I recall that bumper sticker, okasha Sep 2014 #55

Excuse the illogical response but: Amen to that. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #57

"The rubes . . ." LTX Sep 2014 #65

Offensitivity Cartoonist Sep 2014 #77

You know, this group is populated by some who constitute "the faithful" cbayer Sep 2014 #78

You know you are not a host here and don't need to scold people, right? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #105

Painting in stereotypes is an easy and facile past-time. LTX Sep 2014 #85

You've got a bad case Cartoonist Sep 2014 #88

A curious non sequitur. LTX Sep 2014 #90

But your application is pending, LTX! cbayer Sep 2014 #91

I choose not Cartoonist Sep 2014 #97

I see. Perhaps you can direct me to one of your "intelligent" discussions. LTX Sep 2014 #101

Scroll up and read the posts that aren't yours n/t Gore1FL Oct 2014 #253

Are you trying to suggest religiosity and/or spirituality are innately "human" characteristics? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #95

My question was why humans have demonstrated a persistent LTX Sep 2014 #96

No other species wears shoes. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #106

Is there anything biological about "intellect and creativity"? LTX Sep 2014 #109

Stephen Jay Gould would say no. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #118

Very few? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #71

You seem to be of the opinion that 68 million is a lot. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #113

Do you want a bigger shovel or are you fine digging that hole at your current rate? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #117

We don't all live in the caliphate Warren. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #129

Is that the actual name of Ark Bayer? Which one of you is the caliph? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #188

You are a riot Warren Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #204

when you are handed your hat the polite thing to do is to say "thank you". Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #218

Thankyou Warren Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #231

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence, even on a yacht. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #122

Lol, I'm having one of the servants type this, so please excuse cbayer Sep 2014 #124

Do you know what "ad hominem" means? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #134

Yes, I do. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #181

cbayer was shocked to find out that Pat Robertson and Louis Gohmer are islamophobic beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #192

"1%-er vacations across the globe" Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #202

Nope, nothing ad hominem about it at all. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #223

OK Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #230

I just checked out your website Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #233

Of course no numbers for literalism among the other 1.9B christians Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #135

^^^^ this ^^^^ beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #191

"I doubt more than a very few Christians believe that the Bible is the actual word of God" Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #104

I guess you need to get out there and educate that 25% Warren Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #139

view from a yacht. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #156

You mean "view from outside your provincial box", Warren Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #184

No I meant "view from a yacht", that is why I typed "view from a yacht". Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #187

You rock, Warren! Just like Gelliebeans says Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #207

You rock Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #194

Ask a pastor to sermon on hypocrisy without quoting the bible... Tikki Sep 2014 #54

"Sermon" is not a verb. okasha Sep 2014 #56

I've probably heard as many sermons as just about anybody. cbayer Sep 2014 #98

Seems as if the term 'hypocrisy' gets lumped in with the sins... forgive and move on... Tikki Sep 2014 #110

I'm not sure I am following you here. cbayer Sep 2014 #114

Do you believe the message that hypocrisy is destructive to human life is.... Tikki Sep 2014 #116

Hypocrisy can be very serious or not serious at all. cbayer Sep 2014 #123

There are so many contradictions in it that it invintes cherrypicking Warpy Sep 2014 #58

Remember Joe the Plumber? Cartoonist Sep 2014 #62

What an ignorant pastor eom catrose Sep 2014 #102

LOL okasha Sep 2014 #121

Reminds me of the supreme court goldent Sep 2014 #60

But in the case of legal issues, we have case law trumping statute law since 1803 in the U.S. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #61

The legal framework doesn't matter much IMO goldent Sep 2014 #66

Good question. We allow convicted murderers to marry, even if merrily Sep 2014 #76

An Anne Lamott quote says it all: catbyte Sep 2014 #84

That is priceless! cbayer Sep 2014 #92

" Seek the truth, and the truth will set you free " Jesus orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #103

Congrats to you cartoonist! cbayer Sep 2014 #115

This post is not mere "flame bait"; this is an important issue regarding those who quote "God" Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #141

It either is, or isn't the word of god... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #145

Do you believe that it either is or isn't the word of god? cbayer Sep 2014 #150

I think it's fairly clear my thoughts on that subject.. truebrit71 Sep 2014 #163

That's not logical at all unless you are making the rules for what cbayer Sep 2014 #168

...and that has then been put forward as 'the word of god'... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #176

Your view is so very limited. cbayer Sep 2014 #177

So ignore the murderous bigots in Uganda for example... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #182

Who ever said that? Why not pay attention to both? cbayer Sep 2014 #183

Most American conservatives aren't really Christian Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #216

That's an excellent and concise assessment. okasha Sep 2014 #221

I don't care what you call it Cartoonist Sep 2014 #229

Fred Phelps was probably an asshole to begin with Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #232

Agree, It's like a Rorsharch test. nt Cartoonist Sep 2014 #234

Well this is an entirely different tune. cbayer Oct 2014 #240