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cbayer

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90. This is a lovely way of seeing things and one that is apparently growing among evangelical

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:18 AM

Sep 2014

christians. There have been a number of articles posted here about evangelical groups that are placing environmentalism at the top of their agenda for exactly these reasons.

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"If there is a god, he will have to beg my forgiveness." [View all] raccoon Sep 2014 OP

Heartbreaking and entirely understandable. cbayer Sep 2014 #1

Yes... In nearly any other context, the statement would seem hlthe2b Sep 2014 #4

Why is it just this context? DerekG Sep 2014 #48

"Anyone who bears witness to meaningless suffering and the triumph of evil should be expected to..." hlthe2b Sep 2014 #50

And why do you disqualify other contexts as 'clueless'? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #79

No kidding. calimary Sep 2014 #106

I can see the logic jambo101 Sep 2014 #2

If there is a God safeinOhio Sep 2014 #3

if we were perfect from the get go we would not need to be here to learn anything because roguevalley Sep 2014 #12

Why do we need to learn anything? Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #88

we have free will to exercise. otherwise, life is pointless. Why come here if we roguevalley Sep 2014 #89

This is a lovely way of seeing things and one that is apparently growing among evangelical cbayer Sep 2014 #90

I live and die for this planet. I lived in Oregon half my life and the rest here in Alaska. roguevalley Sep 2014 #92

You are a precious human, roguevalley. cbayer Sep 2014 #94

and you too, cbayer. I find that nothing done for the good is ever roguevalley Sep 2014 #99

Like this, roguevalley! I find myself talking to God whenever I'm alone. calimary Sep 2014 #107

I agree, Calimary. Our ancestors felt the same way and as I get older, the things that don't roguevalley Oct 2014 #110

We are life forms. Yes, more complex than some other life forms, but still just life forms. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #91

I do too. what i feel in my spirit embodied by god/the creator/the spirit that lifts and binds all roguevalley Sep 2014 #93

There is Auschwitz and so ... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #5

That's not true Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #10

Then why call it... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #13

Now that is an excellent quote. gcomeau Sep 2014 #16

What else should we call it? n/t Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #17

Nonexistent, Absent, Unreal, Fictional, Imaginary (take your pick) (nt) NeoGreen Sep 2014 #18

If you make a claim that god is nonexistent, etc, cbayer Sep 2014 #19

I was merely providing synonyms... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #20

But those aren't synonyms, they are claims. cbayer Sep 2014 #21

Positions (i.e. claims) based on... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #22

You have direct and/or falsifiable observations that there is no god? cbayer Sep 2014 #23

What a peach you are. trotsky Sep 2014 #28

Auschwitz, starving children, EvilAL Sep 2014 #83

That's not proof of there being no god. cbayer Sep 2014 #86

It's proof enough for me. EvilAL Sep 2014 #95

And that is entirely cool. cbayer Sep 2014 #96

Thanks, I just find it odd EvilAL Sep 2014 #97

They just see it differently. cbayer Sep 2014 #98

If you claim there are no vampires or ghosts, there's also phil89 Sep 2014 #51

Yes that is correct, there is a burden of proof is you make a definitive claim. cbayer Sep 2014 #54

No, you were making a claim Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #25

One cannot prove a negative, i.e. that God does not exist. Maedhros Sep 2014 #27

One can certainly prove a negative. cbayer Sep 2014 #30

Not quite that simple. trotsky Sep 2014 #32

Technically, the scientific method would be this: Maedhros Sep 2014 #38

Don't agree. cbayer Sep 2014 #40

I myself would not make a claim that God exists or does not exist, Maedhros Sep 2014 #44

No you can't. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #66

Your example fails. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #65

No, the burden of proof is on those who make a positive claim. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #43

That is exactly my position. cbayer Sep 2014 #46

Dismissing someone's claim that there IS a god, as fantasy, does not shift the burden of proof. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #80

How do you prove a negative? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #49

I'll wait. What a condescending phrase. cbayer Sep 2014 #53

Still waiting... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #55

I am not a man. cbayer Sep 2014 #57

That's not the same argument. But nice try. truebrit71 Sep 2014 #58

Yes I can. But nice try on your part. cbayer Sep 2014 #59

Nope. truebrit71 Sep 2014 #60

Well, I would consider the claim that there is no god pretty extraordinary. cbayer Sep 2014 #62

Wait- you think it quite likely that gods exist? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #68

I'm not the one saying there's a supreme being... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #73

No, you are not and I would agree that anyone making that claim cbayer Sep 2014 #74

Again, that's not the argument is it? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #75

Yes, I am incapable of admitting I am wrong…. cbayer Sep 2014 #76

Platitudes and smilies... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #77

I thought logical fallacies were a sure sign that one had nothing Lordquinton Sep 2014 #102

M'lord. Your posts are beginning to come across as somewhat desperate. cbayer Sep 2014 #103

well mrs. bayer Lordquinton Sep 2014 #105

Yes, that is all I have. cbayer Sep 2014 #109

But yet you never - NEVER - jump on anyone making that positive claim... trotsky Sep 2014 #87

Maybe you should tell him about Santa Claus. rug Sep 2014 #61

Shhhh…… He is teaching me here. cbayer Sep 2014 #63

please proceed. Do not use the proof that you are a woman. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #72

Oh here we go. Stuck in a losing argument Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #67

Surely you hold the same position wrt Santa. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64

you gonna tell roguevalley the same thing? Lordquinton Sep 2014 #100

Of course I would tell her the same thing…. cbayer Sep 2014 #101

pointing out problematic behavior is not a personal attack. Lordquinton Sep 2014 #104

Yes it is a personal attack. cbayer Sep 2014 #108

I don't feel that's true though Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #24

Look at the second question and answer in that quote. Mariana Sep 2014 #69

Many people seem to have a very hard time Mariana Sep 2014 #70

I can sort-of understand it Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #78

Gott Mit... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #6

That looks like the WWI german army buckle. This is the WWII version. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #81

When I did my image search... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #84

Oh, I fully agree. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #85

The question is not where god was in Auschwitz.... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #7

Depends gcomeau Sep 2014 #8

If god is for us... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #14

In charge. n/t A HERETIC I AM Sep 2014 #9

Only of the good stuff, apparently. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #26

The christians were in the fucking guard towers. Running the trains. Pointing guns at the prisoners AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #82

God has a lot to apologise for Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #11

See Post #13 (NT) NeoGreen Sep 2014 #15

The basis of my disavowal of religion Maedhros Sep 2014 #29

Depends on the religious Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #31

I think it was Vonnegut who said that if there is a God, he is utterly indifferent to humanity. Maedhros Sep 2014 #34

That's closest to deism Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #35

It's my reason for rejecting religion. Maedhros Sep 2014 #37

That's fair enough Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #41

As there are many, many ideas about god, how can cbayer Sep 2014 #33

Maybe "as described" would be a better way of phrasing that. Maedhros Sep 2014 #36

So that is one description of god, but there cbayer Sep 2014 #39

I try to learn as much as I can about different religions. Maedhros Sep 2014 #42

It's great that you have learned about different religions. cbayer Sep 2014 #45

Oh, I agree. I'm not crusading, just explaining why I myself reject religiion. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #47

Which god? phil89 Sep 2014 #52

Exactly. BTW, if you want to put NT in your post, you really need to put it in the subject line. NT cbayer Sep 2014 #56

btw it is really condescending to scold people about typos and other bullshit. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #71