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Starboard Tack

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134. Do you know what "ad hominem" means?

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:09 PM

Sep 2014

If not, you may want to look it up. Your post is a perfect example.
Any valid points you may have are lost in your desire to attack me and what you perceive as my lifestyle.
If by 1%-er, you mean wealthy, then nothing could be further from the truth. If I lived in your land of milk and honey, I would fall right on the poverty line. My "yacht" might buy me a shack in Appallachia. Sorry if my life choices offend you sensibilities.

If your "superpower" were peddling religion to the rest of us, then you might have a point. Maybe you'd care to clarify how a gay man in Uganda is being affected by your backwater fundies.
And I have talked to Palestinians, and Israelis, as well as others from around the world, about US foreign policy and the influence of Christian fundamentalists.

Now, if you want a conversation, you might want to be a tad more civil. Meanwhile, I have some dolphins to play with.

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Cherry picking the bible [View all] Cartoonist Sep 2014 OP

Cognative dissonance. immoderate Sep 2014 #1

Absolutely right. It's the reason why, for example, mr blur Sep 2014 #5

"Both read the bible day and night, xfundy Sep 2014 #2

Why is God down on the effeminate? Maedhros Sep 2014 #3

Yeah, but how is a guy who walks on water supposed to take a bath? Thor_MN Sep 2014 #4

Yeah! That's right! Jesus was a big stinkpot! cbayer Sep 2014 #10

This was the King James version Cartoonist Sep 2014 #6

Is poofer a word that is in vogue for you? cbayer Sep 2014 #11

Perhaps some outrage is in order? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #23

Indeed, it is. okasha Sep 2014 #46

Yes but "poofer" isn't. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64

Funny, that. trotsky Sep 2014 #67

Wrong. okasha Sep 2014 #86

Where I stand is that the bible is full of homophobic shit and should be ridiculed Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #99

Wrong again. okasha Sep 2014 #111

Yet you chime in as to what is and (usually isn't) atheist bigotry Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #119

I have never attempted to tell any atheist okasha Sep 2014 #120

And lots of them have decided exactly that. trotsky Sep 2014 #128

Faux outrage. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author okasha Sep 2014 #47

"poofter" is a common slang term for "gay" here (UK) Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #214

Is it slang or is it a slur? cbayer Oct 2014 #239

Generally, a slur Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #241

That is what I thought and why I raised an objection to it's use. cbayer Oct 2014 #242

And you completely skipped merrily past the use of 'effeminate'. Must be unconscious as well. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #258

Impressive deflection. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #256

Where do you get the idea that god is down on the effeminate? cbayer Sep 2014 #9

From the OP: Maedhros Sep 2014 #15

Interestingly, that only occurs in some versions and is exactly why cbayer Sep 2014 #18

I was simply pointing out the irony of the passage Maedhros Sep 2014 #24

The best approach is ignoring them all. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #126

And if that works for you, that's great. cbayer Sep 2014 #127

I don't concede that believing in fairtales as good for anyone. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #130

I don't concede that religious beliefs are fairytales, cbayer Sep 2014 #131

We can use fiction instead of fairlytales if you prefer. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #132

You can use whatever you want, but you would be hard cbayer Sep 2014 #133

Not at all Gore1FL Sep 2014 #136

That is not what you said. cbayer Sep 2014 #137

Again with the proving a negative concept? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #140

No, taking a stance that something is fiction cbayer Sep 2014 #142

And yet you just can't help but be condescending can you? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #143

Oh, I can help it, but you make it so very easy. cbayer Sep 2014 #144

So condescension is de rigeur for you... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #146

Hey, what happened to the little guy rolling all over the floor? cbayer Sep 2014 #148

Speaking of nothing... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #155

Ok, so you are not going to address the substance. cbayer Sep 2014 #157

Substance of what? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #161

"you haven't said anything of substance yet�" cbayer Sep 2014 #166

It's pretty clear that religion exists Gore1FL Sep 2014 #147

Wait, so did someone make up gravity, too? cbayer Sep 2014 #149

No. Gravity is a force of nature. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #151

A force of nature? cbayer Sep 2014 #152

Fine. Prove he exists and we'll all just shut up. truebrit71 Sep 2014 #153

I don't know if there is a god or not and have absolutely no interest cbayer Sep 2014 #154

"we" would be all of the people that take the position that there is no god... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #159

So you speak for all atheists? Really? cbayer Sep 2014 #164

"Where in the world do you get the idea that I believe/worship a god?" truebrit71 Sep 2014 #174

The atheist flame bait I post almost daily? cbayer Sep 2014 #175

The poster loves, just relishes, playing her "oh you think I'm a theist" gotcha card. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #179

Name one religion that isn't man-made. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #160

Man made? I have no idea what you mean by that. cbayer Sep 2014 #165

If it came from a supernatural source, please cite evidence that it did. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #167

I have no evidence and do not have any interest in taking the position that cbayer Sep 2014 #169

"We" = the human race. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #170

You speak for the human race? Really? cbayer Sep 2014 #172

take this up with your husband Lordquinton Sep 2014 #178

Nah, I'll let you do that. cbayer Sep 2014 #180

there may be 5 forces of nature or maybe 6, maybe thousands. We know about 4. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #158

Well, "religion" is true, what we are discussing is whether some cbayer Sep 2014 #162

I don't need footing to point out that the bullshit people say is not backed by evidence. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #171

But that is not what you said. cbayer Sep 2014 #173

I use the definition of "Fiction." Gore1FL Sep 2014 #185

Resonable defintion. cbayer Sep 2014 #186

You should probably stop digging at some point. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #189

No, the contradictions just make it, well, contradictory. cbayer Sep 2014 #190

Contradictory things cannot be simultaneously true. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #201

That would be correct, but all it means is that one of this is likely cbayer Oct 2014 #238

It means the book that presents them both as true is false. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2014 #244

The book doesn't do anything. cbayer Oct 2014 #245

If the stories are known to be questionable Gore1FL Oct 2014 #248

That is why one must read them with a questioning mind. cbayer Oct 2014 #250

It's a collections of books that are demonstrably wrong or unprovable. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #252

Ok, so reject them completely if you choose. cbayer Oct 2014 #255

I have before you even gave me permission. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #260

No. It has been observed and better understood over the years. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #200

And mathematics? LTX Sep 2014 #196

Mathematics describe how the universe operates. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #198

You did not answer the question. LTX Sep 2014 #199

It depends on what you mean by "mathematics." Gore1FL Sep 2014 #203

Really? My goodness, you are the first person I've encountered LTX Sep 2014 #208

How did you not understand my answer? Gore1FL Sep 2014 #209

So you simply repeat your unsupported assertion. LTX Sep 2014 #211

An assertion that apparently escapes you. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #212

What about lawn darts? You left out lawn darts. LTX Oct 2014 #236

You should probably start with something simple. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #243

Wow, you really should back off. cbayer Oct 2014 #246

I didn't impunge the intelligence of another poster. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #247

Okey, dokey. Just trying to give you a heads up. cbayer Oct 2014 #249

I would hope that the jury bothers to read for context then. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #251

See, you are digging yourself in deeper here. cbayer Oct 2014 #254

One only need to scroll up. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #259

Honestly, cbayer, LTX Oct 2014 #262

I am not sure what to make of this, but it stopped being fun some time ago. cbayer Oct 2014 #263

An automated response program, LTX Oct 2014 #264

If I were going to program something, I wouldn't program this. cbayer Oct 2014 #265

It is rather embarrasingly basic. Maybe LTX Oct 2014 #267

Inadvertently embrace Poe's law! Love it. cbayer Oct 2014 #268

Of course, LTX Oct 2014 #266

Here's a little joke that seems to suit our conversation. LTX Oct 2014 #261

Jesus became a a cracker? I don't know I haven't heard this one. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #269

This message was self-deleted by its author Gore1FL Sep 2014 #224

Those "iron-age peasants" also forged the foundations of geometry, architecture, law, LTX Sep 2014 #195

We've built better understandings since that time on those topics. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #197

The evolution of abstractions is not a predicate for dismissal of the foundations on which LTX Sep 2014 #205

We have expanded on them Gore1FL Sep 2014 #206

I never knew. We've "eliminated" those things that we have "disproven by math." LTX Sep 2014 #210

You really need to read for comprehension. You are embarrassing yourself. n/t Gore1FL Sep 2014 #213

Now you've gone to the extreme of making his worldview a paperboard cut out or some sort of Leontius Sep 2014 #219

He didn't do that. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #225

Give him credit. LTX Oct 2014 #237

"written by Iron Age peasants?" okasha Sep 2014 #215

Thanks for conceding. n/t Gore1FL Sep 2014 #217

Not the peasants. okasha Sep 2014 #220

so you'd prefer the more technically correct "came up with" as opposed to "wrote." Gore1FL Sep 2014 #222

I'm fine with "wrote." okasha Sep 2014 #226

Your title totally contradicts the body of your post. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #227

Eh? okasha Oct 2014 #228

At least something exists in my head. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #235

How do you get away with it? rug Sep 2014 #7

He only gets away with it because others respond. cbayer Sep 2014 #12

I'm begining to believe in reincarnation, one of the Three died and was reborn Leontius Sep 2014 #42

Lol, the lost years. rug Sep 2014 #45

Jesus, the missing years... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #59

John Prine's a great songwriter. rug Sep 2014 #79

Yes, indeed. DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #81

Ha. I lived in Hyde Park during those years. cbayer Sep 2014 #83

Wow, that's a blast from the past... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #93

The Blue Gargoyle was a coffeehouse in my father's church. cbayer Sep 2014 #94

His intro to The Missing Years is hilarious. cbayer Sep 2014 #80

How does who get away with it? cbayer Sep 2014 #8

And he should alert Greek scholars okasha Sep 2014 #13

Well he has an acute sense and is here to educate all of us. cbayer Sep 2014 #14

The whole fucking thing isn't meaningful. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #17

You'd be hard pressed to pick a chapter in the bible that isn't a horrible fucked up AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #16

You know you're right all that shit about all are brothers, love one another, all are equal Leontius Sep 2014 #19

Yeah! And all that crap about peace, charity and social justice, cbayer Sep 2014 #20

I note you didn't cite a specific section. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #21

The problem with the Sermon on the mount is that it contains some rather Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #22

Naw maaaaan, that's cherry picking! No fair! AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #25

You'd be hard pressed to find any passages that wasn't grosslyy changed BlueStreak Sep 2014 #75

Robert M. Price, "The Bible Geek", calls it "Bible as a ventriloquist dummy." longship Sep 2014 #26

Calling it the Hypocrites Handbook rock Sep 2014 #27

Cherry-picking can have a positive side, though. E_Pluribus_Unitarian Sep 2014 #28

Agree. Very well said. cbayer Sep 2014 #29

The Hypocrites in the Temple Cartoonist Sep 2014 #30

It doesn't have to be either the literal word of god or just some book written by some guy. cbayer Sep 2014 #32

It definitely cannot be the literal word of god for SOME of it. trotsky Sep 2014 #68

There is no atheist pie. Leontius Sep 2014 #35

Judge not, lest ye be judged Cartoonist Sep 2014 #43

I am interested in what your take on adulterers is from a moral or ethical viewpoint? cbayer Sep 2014 #51

Probably plucking out the eyes of adulterers is too extreme. And stoning them to death. Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #73

If I thought you had any understanding of what that verse means your comment would Leontius Sep 2014 #82

So, what is your understanding? Cartoonist Sep 2014 #87

Uh oh!! Looks like you are about to join the legions that are being placed on ignore! cbayer Sep 2014 #89

There will be much wailing and nashing of teeth. Leontius Sep 2014 #108

Touch of arrogance there? mr blur Sep 2014 #100

Just based on experience and the patterns of ignorance some posters show Leontius Sep 2014 #107

Great statement by Cartoonist Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #74

Why bother? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #37

A cleric speaks. Cartoonist Sep 2014 #31

Irrelevant. okasha Sep 2014 #44

Its a very weak thread in terms of supporting this argument. cbayer Sep 2014 #48

That seems to be a recurring problem with this poster. okasha Sep 2014 #52

He's on a mission, a crusade, if you will. cbayer Sep 2014 #53

Stay classy. trotsky Sep 2014 #70

Same god. mr blur Sep 2014 #63

Yes. Islam says its Allah is the same as the God of the Jews Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #72

Same irrelevance. okasha Sep 2014 #112

Only if you are a Christocentric Islamophobe Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #138

Still irrelevant. okasha Sep 2014 #193

But the exact same religious reasoning. Therefore, relevant. trotsky Sep 2014 #69

Every religion customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #33

If you have ever picked cherries or any other fruit, you wouldn't need to ask. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #34

Definition Cartoonist Sep 2014 #36

You are giving them too much credit Cartoonist. Promethean Sep 2014 #38

That's because there is no substance. okasha Sep 2014 #39

That's fine, but calling the rare uinoffensive bits the "Word of God" doesn't work convincingly. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #125

Them? Them who? cbayer Sep 2014 #49

OK, let's examine what you actually said. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #40

God wrote it, I believe it Cartoonist Sep 2014 #41

A bumper sticker? OMG. cbayer Sep 2014 #50

As I recall that bumper sticker, okasha Sep 2014 #55

Excuse the illogical response but: Amen to that. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #57

"The rubes . . ." LTX Sep 2014 #65

Offensitivity Cartoonist Sep 2014 #77

You know, this group is populated by some who constitute "the faithful" cbayer Sep 2014 #78

You know you are not a host here and don't need to scold people, right? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #105

Painting in stereotypes is an easy and facile past-time. LTX Sep 2014 #85

You've got a bad case Cartoonist Sep 2014 #88

A curious non sequitur. LTX Sep 2014 #90

But your application is pending, LTX! cbayer Sep 2014 #91

I choose not Cartoonist Sep 2014 #97

I see. Perhaps you can direct me to one of your "intelligent" discussions. LTX Sep 2014 #101

Scroll up and read the posts that aren't yours n/t Gore1FL Oct 2014 #253

Are you trying to suggest religiosity and/or spirituality are innately "human" characteristics? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #95

My question was why humans have demonstrated a persistent LTX Sep 2014 #96

No other species wears shoes. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #106

Is there anything biological about "intellect and creativity"? LTX Sep 2014 #109

Stephen Jay Gould would say no. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #118

Very few? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #71

You seem to be of the opinion that 68 million is a lot. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #113

Do you want a bigger shovel or are you fine digging that hole at your current rate? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #117

We don't all live in the caliphate Warren. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #129

Is that the actual name of Ark Bayer? Which one of you is the caliph? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #188

You are a riot Warren Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #204

when you are handed your hat the polite thing to do is to say "thank you". Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #218

Thankyou Warren Starboard Tack Oct 2014 #231

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence, even on a yacht. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #122

Lol, I'm having one of the servants type this, so please excuse cbayer Sep 2014 #124

Do you know what "ad hominem" means? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #134

Yes, I do. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #181

cbayer was shocked to find out that Pat Robertson and Louis Gohmer are islamophobic beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #192

"1%-er vacations across the globe" Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #202

Nope, nothing ad hominem about it at all. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2014 #223

OK Starboard Tack Oct 2014 #230

I just checked out your website Starboard Tack Oct 2014 #233

Of course no numbers for literalism among the other 1.9B christians Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #135

^^^^ this ^^^^ beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #191

"I doubt more than a very few Christians believe that the Bible is the actual word of God" Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #104

I guess you need to get out there and educate that 25% Warren Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #139

view from a yacht. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #156

You mean "view from outside your provincial box", Warren Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #184

No I meant "view from a yacht", that is why I typed "view from a yacht". Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #187

You rock, Warren! Just like Gelliebeans says Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #207

You rock Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #194

Ask a pastor to sermon on hypocrisy without quoting the bible... Tikki Sep 2014 #54

"Sermon" is not a verb. okasha Sep 2014 #56

I've probably heard as many sermons as just about anybody. cbayer Sep 2014 #98

Seems as if the term 'hypocrisy' gets lumped in with the sins... forgive and move on... Tikki Sep 2014 #110

I'm not sure I am following you here. cbayer Sep 2014 #114

Do you believe the message that hypocrisy is destructive to human life is.... Tikki Sep 2014 #116

Hypocrisy can be very serious or not serious at all. cbayer Sep 2014 #123

There are so many contradictions in it that it invintes cherrypicking Warpy Sep 2014 #58

Remember Joe the Plumber? Cartoonist Sep 2014 #62

What an ignorant pastor eom catrose Sep 2014 #102

LOL okasha Sep 2014 #121

Reminds me of the supreme court goldent Sep 2014 #60

But in the case of legal issues, we have case law trumping statute law since 1803 in the U.S. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #61

The legal framework doesn't matter much IMO goldent Sep 2014 #66

Good question. We allow convicted murderers to marry, even if merrily Sep 2014 #76

An Anne Lamott quote says it all: catbyte Sep 2014 #84

That is priceless! cbayer Sep 2014 #92

" Seek the truth, and the truth will set you free " Jesus orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #103

Congrats to you cartoonist! cbayer Sep 2014 #115

This post is not mere "flame bait"; this is an important issue regarding those who quote "God" Brettongarcia Sep 2014 #141

It either is, or isn't the word of god... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #145

Do you believe that it either is or isn't the word of god? cbayer Sep 2014 #150

I think it's fairly clear my thoughts on that subject.. truebrit71 Sep 2014 #163

That's not logical at all unless you are making the rules for what cbayer Sep 2014 #168

...and that has then been put forward as 'the word of god'... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #176

Your view is so very limited. cbayer Sep 2014 #177

So ignore the murderous bigots in Uganda for example... truebrit71 Sep 2014 #182

Who ever said that? Why not pay attention to both? cbayer Sep 2014 #183

Most American conservatives aren't really Christian Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #216

That's an excellent and concise assessment. okasha Sep 2014 #221

I don't care what you call it Cartoonist Oct 2014 #229

Fred Phelps was probably an asshole to begin with Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #232

Agree, It's like a Rorsharch test. nt Cartoonist Oct 2014 #234

Well this is an entirely different tune. cbayer Oct 2014 #240