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gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
16. Already said that, but...
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 10:15 PM
Oct 2014

Among the criteria the IRS uses are:

Distinct legal existence
Recognized creed and form of worship
Definite and distinct ecclesiastical government
Formal code of doctrine and discipline
Distinct religious history
Membership not associated with any other church or denomination
Organization of ordained ministers
Ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed courses of study
Literature of its own
Established places of worship
Regular congregations
Regular religious services
Sunday schools for the religious instruction of the young
Schools for the preparation of its members


Young life does not have, for one thing, any established places of worship. No church buildings, etc... but they still get to be called a church where other organizations that don't have established places of worship can and do get rejected as qualifying as churches if the IRS decides they want to cite that criteria as a reason to reject their claim.


Yes, the list of criteria exists, but as I said, *in practice* it can and does become an exercise in "we know a 'real' religion when we see one".


And on to the other main point, in order for the church to qualify for tax exemption, among other things:

---no substantial part of its activity may be attempting to
influence legislation,
--- the organization may not intervene win political campaigns



Show me all the big popular churches that have had their tax exempt status revoked or been prosecuted for tax evasion because they lie their asses off about meeting those criteria.

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Hmm... well since all churches are "invented" when do they move on to the others? gcomeau Oct 2014 #1
What do you mean all churches are invented? cbayer Oct 2014 #2
It seems like a clear enough statement. gcomeau Oct 2014 #3
Forget it. I regret responding to you. cbayer Oct 2014 #4
What exactly is your problem now? gcomeau Oct 2014 #5
That's a pretty typical response when she gets her nonsense destroyed like that. cleanhippie Oct 2014 #6
My problem is exactly this. I don't like engaging with you. cbayer Oct 2014 #7
You are correct, it is a pattern. trotsky Oct 2014 #8
It's a pattern, alright. A pattern you have with most everyone that disagrees with you. cleanhippie Oct 2014 #24
When she gets the impression that he doesn't want to discuss religion Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #28
She probably regretted getting downwind of all that bullshit. okasha Oct 2014 #9
You seem very confident in your knowledge about the IRS and rules regarding religious groups. trotsky Oct 2014 #10
I provided a specific real world example of those criteria being ignored. gcomeau Oct 2014 #12
You say the criteria were ignored. okasha Oct 2014 #13
No, Young Life was not "caught". gcomeau Oct 2014 #14
What criterion did they not fulfill? okasha Oct 2014 #15
Already said that, but... gcomeau Oct 2014 #16
"An established place of worship" okasha Oct 2014 #17
I said "etc" for a reason. gcomeau Oct 2014 #19
I'm getting you fine, thanks. okasha Oct 2014 #20
Uh-huh gcomeau Oct 2014 #21
See previous post. okasha Oct 2014 #22
FFS gcomeau Oct 2014 #23
Two things. okasha Oct 2014 #25
Good grief... gcomeau Oct 2014 #26
Well, no. okasha Oct 2014 #27
I agree with you absolutely okasha Oct 2014 #18
Given the long history of special treatment goldent Oct 2014 #11
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