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muriel_volestrangler

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26. Rosenberg does claim the label 'scientism'
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:43 AM
Mar 2012
My conception of scientism is almost the same as that of those who use it as a term of abuse. They use the term to name the exaggerated and unwarranted confidence that science and its methods can answer all meaningful questions. I agree with that definition except for the ‘exaggerated’ and ‘unwarranted’ part.
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You are strongly committed to the view that “the methods of science are the only reliable way to secure knowledge of anything”? What would you say to those who would suggest that the methods of science can give us no knowledge about mathematics and what it is like to see red?

What I say in response to such sophisticated philosophical challenges is first, like all the other metaphysical and epistemological alternatives, scientism does not yet have a satisfactory account of mathematics or our understanding of it; second, the so-called “hard problem” of consciousness—what its like to have a qualitative experience—is a sign post along the research program of neuroscience. It will eventually have to dissolve this problem, just as physics eventually had to dissolve Zeno’s paradox of motion. Meanwhile, if I have to weigh the achievements of science in the balance against the problems of the philosophy of mathematics and the first person point of view, I’ll choose science. 400 years of ever-increasing depth and breadth in explanation and prediction carries a lot more weight with me than a handful of philosophical conundrums and Platonism about mathematics.

http://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=4209

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Seeing Is Unbelieving [View all] rug Mar 2012 OP
"...the offensive launched against religion by...." Deep13 Mar 2012 #1
I'd hate to see his review of the book that he does consider to be the worst. Jim__ Mar 2012 #2
Blah, blah, militant, blah, blah, scientism, blah longship Mar 2012 #3
I wish that what you say atheists want was true, but it's not true for all atheists. cbayer Mar 2012 #4
Who wants them destroyed? longship Mar 2012 #8
Why does one need religious institutions?? Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #18
Why does who need religious institutions? cbayer Mar 2012 #29
Your last sentence is a bit of farce Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #36
And why do some churches fight vigorously against the imposition of religion cbayer Mar 2012 #37
Your last sentence........ Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #38
There are many who feel no need whatsoever to define god. cbayer Mar 2012 #39
Do you equal atheism with scientism? tama Mar 2012 #5
"Scientism" is not a word I use longship Mar 2012 #7
Your generalizations about theists would lead me to wonder if your cbayer Mar 2012 #9
Well, tell that to the Republicans longship Mar 2012 #10
I am equally pissed off, but your tendency to generalize is polarizing. cbayer Mar 2012 #12
Thank you very much, kind sir longship Mar 2012 #13
I'm a ma'am and I am married to an atheist. cbayer Mar 2012 #15
I apologize, Madame longship Mar 2012 #17
It's not the word that matters tama Mar 2012 #11
Okay longship Mar 2012 #14
I have more confidence tama Mar 2012 #16
I am a reductionist longship Mar 2012 #19
I'm a reductionist tama Mar 2012 #20
Revolutions still build on what came before longship Mar 2012 #21
Agreed tama Mar 2012 #24
Gell-Mann tama Mar 2012 #25
Yup, re Weinberg, Gell-Mann longship Mar 2012 #28
Several problems tama Mar 2012 #30
Actually I see no problems there longship Mar 2012 #31
There's lot to pick tama Mar 2012 #32
If anybody says any of those things in this forum, Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #6
Fine, next time someone here claims skepticscott Mar 2012 #23
So, is the book's author claiming that science skepticscott Mar 2012 #22
Rosenberg does claim the label 'scientism' muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #26
Well, the reviewer claimed skepticscott Mar 2012 #27
Just to break it down... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #33
Which is just a way of pointing out skepticscott Mar 2012 #34
Exactly, science helps answer questions about nature, nothing more or less.. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #35
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