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tama

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32. There's lot to pick
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:51 PM
Mar 2012

but I'm not in the picketing mood. I'll just agree with you that your terminology is hard to follow and loose, as I'm accustomed to "macro" and "micro" being used for size-relations (e.g. macro cosmic scale and micro planck scale). The way you use them they are redundant and only add to confusion, as we agree that a "macro" like universe can be a single quantum event.

And in that sense I don't see why reductionistic "causal" arrow 'quantum -> classical' should be called "bottom-up" instead of e.g. "top-down", as the direction is "holografically" from more general to particular. Bottom-up and top-down are hierarchical or gravitational metaphors.

And what *is* quantum except the mathematical weirdness that experiments obey? And what *is* math?

Complexity and variety of relations, math included, the dance of forms, do not "emerge" from atoms banging into each other (as lay-mans physics still think) or other notions of classic causality, but cools down from Absolute Entropy of no-form aka Singularity; we with our brains and neurons and all this jazzy biomatter and thoughts are "state function reductions" or "decoherred" complexes; both "it from bit" and "bit from it". There is no need to think that we are products of deterministic classic causality, as those are just quantum histories flowing "backwards" from this thusly decoherred state-moment of cosmic self-reflection aka "measurement event".

As you see, I'm not disagreeing with your quantum version of "reductionism" at all, the way I understand it. I'm just explaining it better.


















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Seeing Is Unbelieving [View all] rug Mar 2012 OP
"...the offensive launched against religion by...." Deep13 Mar 2012 #1
I'd hate to see his review of the book that he does consider to be the worst. Jim__ Mar 2012 #2
Blah, blah, militant, blah, blah, scientism, blah longship Mar 2012 #3
I wish that what you say atheists want was true, but it's not true for all atheists. cbayer Mar 2012 #4
Who wants them destroyed? longship Mar 2012 #8
Why does one need religious institutions?? Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #18
Why does who need religious institutions? cbayer Mar 2012 #29
Your last sentence is a bit of farce Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #36
And why do some churches fight vigorously against the imposition of religion cbayer Mar 2012 #37
Your last sentence........ Angry Dragon Mar 2012 #38
There are many who feel no need whatsoever to define god. cbayer Mar 2012 #39
Do you equal atheism with scientism? tama Mar 2012 #5
"Scientism" is not a word I use longship Mar 2012 #7
Your generalizations about theists would lead me to wonder if your cbayer Mar 2012 #9
Well, tell that to the Republicans longship Mar 2012 #10
I am equally pissed off, but your tendency to generalize is polarizing. cbayer Mar 2012 #12
Thank you very much, kind sir longship Mar 2012 #13
I'm a ma'am and I am married to an atheist. cbayer Mar 2012 #15
I apologize, Madame longship Mar 2012 #17
It's not the word that matters tama Mar 2012 #11
Okay longship Mar 2012 #14
I have more confidence tama Mar 2012 #16
I am a reductionist longship Mar 2012 #19
I'm a reductionist tama Mar 2012 #20
Revolutions still build on what came before longship Mar 2012 #21
Agreed tama Mar 2012 #24
Gell-Mann tama Mar 2012 #25
Yup, re Weinberg, Gell-Mann longship Mar 2012 #28
Several problems tama Mar 2012 #30
Actually I see no problems there longship Mar 2012 #31
There's lot to pick tama Mar 2012 #32
If anybody says any of those things in this forum, Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #6
Fine, next time someone here claims skepticscott Mar 2012 #23
So, is the book's author claiming that science skepticscott Mar 2012 #22
Rosenberg does claim the label 'scientism' muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #26
Well, the reviewer claimed skepticscott Mar 2012 #27
Just to break it down... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #33
Which is just a way of pointing out skepticscott Mar 2012 #34
Exactly, science helps answer questions about nature, nothing more or less.. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #35
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