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In reply to the discussion: Richard Dawkins to atheist rally: 'Show contempt' for faith [View all]Rob H.
(5,946 posts)51. If by "quoted" you mean "quote mined", maybe
Here's the full video:
Here's part of what he actually said, around the 7:20 mark:
I'm often accused of contempt and despising religious people. I don't despise religious people, I despise what they stand for. I like to quote the British journalist, Johann Hari, who said, "I have so much respect for you that I cannot respect your ridiculous ideas."
And starting around the 13-minute mark:
When you meet somebody who claims to be religious, ask them what they really believe. If you meet somebody who says he's Catholic, for example, say, "What do you mean? Do you just mean you were baptized Catholic? Because I'm not impressed by that."
We just ran a poll by my foundation in Britain, just ran a poll in Britain, in which we talked to those people who ticked the "Christian" box in the census--and by the way, that figure has come down dramatically--we just took the people who ticked the "Christian" box, and we asked them, "Why did you tick the 'Christian' box?" The most popular answer to that question was, "Oh, well, I like to think of myself as a good person."
Well, we all like to think of ourselves as good people. Atheists do, Jews do, Muslims do, so when you meet somebody who claims to be Christian, ask her, ask him "What do you really believe?" and I think you'll find that in many cases, they give you an answer which is no more convincing than, "I like to be a good person."
By the way, when we went on to ask a specific question of these only 54% (of people who selected "Christian" as their religion in the census), "What do you do when you're faced with a moral dilemma, where do you turn?" only 10 percent turned to their religion when trying to solve a moral question. Only 10 percent. The majority of them said, "I turn to my innate sense of goodness," and the next most popular answer was, "I turn for advice to relatives and friends."
So, when I meet somebody who claims to be religious, my first impulse is don't believe you, I don't believe you until you tell me, "Do you really believe"--for example, if they say they're Catholic--"Do you really believe that when a priest blesses a wafer, it turns into the body of Christ? Are you seriously telling me you believe that? Are you seriously saying that wine turns into blood?" Mock them, ridicule them in public.
Don't fall for the convention that we're all too polite to talk about religion. Religion is not off the table. Religion is not off-limits. Religion makes specific claims about the universe which need to be substantiated, and need to be challenged, and, if necessary, need to be ridiculed with contempt.
I'd like to echo what my colleagues from the Richard Dawkins Foundation have said: I am an outsider, but we have, we're well-staffed in America, and we're going to spread the word along with our colleagues in other organizations throughout the length and breadth of this land, this land which is the fountainhead, the birthplace of secularism in the world, and as I said before, don't let's let that tradition down. Thank you very much.
We just ran a poll by my foundation in Britain, just ran a poll in Britain, in which we talked to those people who ticked the "Christian" box in the census--and by the way, that figure has come down dramatically--we just took the people who ticked the "Christian" box, and we asked them, "Why did you tick the 'Christian' box?" The most popular answer to that question was, "Oh, well, I like to think of myself as a good person."
Well, we all like to think of ourselves as good people. Atheists do, Jews do, Muslims do, so when you meet somebody who claims to be Christian, ask her, ask him "What do you really believe?" and I think you'll find that in many cases, they give you an answer which is no more convincing than, "I like to be a good person."
By the way, when we went on to ask a specific question of these only 54% (of people who selected "Christian" as their religion in the census), "What do you do when you're faced with a moral dilemma, where do you turn?" only 10 percent turned to their religion when trying to solve a moral question. Only 10 percent. The majority of them said, "I turn to my innate sense of goodness," and the next most popular answer was, "I turn for advice to relatives and friends."
So, when I meet somebody who claims to be religious, my first impulse is don't believe you, I don't believe you until you tell me, "Do you really believe"--for example, if they say they're Catholic--"Do you really believe that when a priest blesses a wafer, it turns into the body of Christ? Are you seriously telling me you believe that? Are you seriously saying that wine turns into blood?" Mock them, ridicule them in public.
Don't fall for the convention that we're all too polite to talk about religion. Religion is not off the table. Religion is not off-limits. Religion makes specific claims about the universe which need to be substantiated, and need to be challenged, and, if necessary, need to be ridiculed with contempt.
I'd like to echo what my colleagues from the Richard Dawkins Foundation have said: I am an outsider, but we have, we're well-staffed in America, and we're going to spread the word along with our colleagues in other organizations throughout the length and breadth of this land, this land which is the fountainhead, the birthplace of secularism in the world, and as I said before, don't let's let that tradition down. Thank you very much.
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A good many Protestants also think the Catholic view of the Eucharist is absurd
bluestateguy
Mar 2012
#1
If you could have answered that question you would have avoided the drivel that follows it.
rug
Mar 2012
#77
Christian theology was originally heavily influenced by Greco-Roman philosophy
FarCenter
Mar 2012
#81
Unfortunate. Glad to see that the speaker who said "Stand your ground" got no applause.
cbayer
Mar 2012
#2
It doesn't matter who advocates such a position, advocating such a position is
humblebum
Mar 2012
#126
People make fun of other's fantasies all the time, indeed, those who take such fantasies...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#8
Debunkers of conspiracy theories, Mythbusters did a rather good episode...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#15
Not agreeing with it implies its on equal footing with the facts or is equally logical...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#21
Didn't somebody say the purpose of the rally wasn't to ridicule religion or promote
Leontius
Mar 2012
#9
The organizers apparently said that. The limited information in the article indicates that
cbayer
Mar 2012
#18
Why is the humorlessness of atheists so close to the humorlessness of fundamentalists?
villager
Mar 2012
#11
So then, the fact that some of us find much atheist and skeptical "reasoning" to be
humblebum
Mar 2012
#50
It is OK to ridicule it and show contempt for it, as for any ideas or beliefs
LeftishBrit
Mar 2012
#55
Atheists make fun of beliefs, and we are called humorless, the religious attack people...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#23
That's true, but Carlin was hilarious! Especially when he made fun of religious beliefs. n/t
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#26
But he honed his humor and timing growing up on the West Side in Corpus Christi parish.
rug
Mar 2012
#30
You would have a point if anyone called for ridicule and contempt of PEOPLE...
cleanhippie
Mar 2012
#62
We essentially agree with each other but I would like to point out that historical distortions
Leontius
Mar 2012
#106
Yeah, because the oppression of women, gays, atheists by today's believers
cleanhippie
Mar 2012
#110
Where did I ever indicate that "advocating repression, torture and mass murder" was a
humblebum
Mar 2012
#92
When the explanation is "Just because" its not based on logic or empiricism. n/t
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#130
Quote mining is bearing false witness, how does your god feel about that? n/t
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#79
This coming from someone who believes in Transubstantiation, sorry, I don't think you have any...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#90
The truth that they won't, can't, admit is that using mockery and ridicule is much like
Leontius
Mar 2012
#89
actually, I know EXACTLY what I reject, regardless of what others are convinced of.
deacon_sephiroth
Mar 2012
#148