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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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59. Now somebody downthread posted a picture

Fri Oct 24, 2014, 01:13 PM

Oct 2014

that showed a 'dagger' that was actually a piece of jewelry. I have no 'weapon' objection to that. It actually would be about as dangerous as a crayon.

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Religious dagger OK at Auburn elementary school [View all] rug Oct 2014 OP

I resignedly await the next iteration. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #1

While you're waiting, this is the purpose of the kirpan: rug Oct 2014 #2

A weapon is still a weapon, even if you personally carry it for 'symbolic' reasons. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #3

A pencil is still a pencil, even if it's sticking out of someone's eye. rug Oct 2014 #4

That's a good point, given the billions of people Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #5

Nice pun but I suspect there are more people stabbed in the eye with a pencil than with a kirpan. rug Oct 2014 #6

Bollocks. This is a real religion, not some sort of NRA-front group. riqster Oct 2014 #7

My point is actually Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #8

Then phrase it better. riqster Oct 2014 #9

Well, there is that too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #11

We'll see if it actually happens. Sikhs have been in public schools for many years. riqster Oct 2014 #14

Separation of church and state is clear to me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #15

Indeed. Do we confiscate crucifixes? Do schools forbid students having Qurans in their lockers? riqster Oct 2014 #16

See the edit I was writing while you were writing your comment. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #17

You could take this one step further and forbid and religious people from being in cbayer Oct 2014 #19

Works for me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #23

Your position is so extreme. It makes me very grateful cbayer Oct 2014 #32

I would be willing to go along with prohibiting 'atheist symbols' too, yes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #38

I wouldn't go along with prohibiting either one. cbayer Oct 2014 #42

Ah, 'so fragile'... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #44

No, minority groups are rarely the problem. cbayer Oct 2014 #47

I'll challenge your language. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #56

I went to a public secondary school. Two brothers in my class routinely wore yamulkes on holy days. pinto Oct 2014 #60

Privilege and power issues always revolve around who is doing them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #61

I'll check out the video. If a public school setting, that's way over the line. pinto Oct 2014 #66

No, I don't think it's discrimination when students are asked to wear uniforms, though cbayer Oct 2014 #74

I almost agree. I don't think PROMOTION of religion belongs in schools. riqster Oct 2014 #20

I would say that a student wearing or carrying religious symbols is being religious cbayer Oct 2014 #22

I don't believe there's a state in the union that actually forces you to attend public schools. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #25

You need to be prepared to leave your religion at home if you attend a public school? cbayer Oct 2014 #27

Quite true. My people came here to be free. riqster Oct 2014 #37

Agree. It is startling to see this kind of extremism. cbayer Oct 2014 #41

You, then, want a segregated society. In which religious people may not express themselves... riqster Oct 2014 #29

Well said. I am rather stunned by this extreme position. cbayer Oct 2014 #31

I feel you're misprepresenting my position. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #39

Crap. The Sikh kid's knife WAS NOT ON DISPLAY. riqster Oct 2014 #43

No, I've been talking about multiple beliefs I hold. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #46

Again, crap. "Weapons" at school? riqster Oct 2014 #48

Thank God you're here to protect Christians from us Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #51

Oh, I would not for a moment assume you speak for all atheists. Just yourself. riqster Oct 2014 #62

A "real religion"? phil89 Oct 2014 #52

As opposed to the construct I responded to. riqster Oct 2014 #63

All religions are 'invented'. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #98

S'truth. As are many human creations. riqster Oct 2014 #117

This is a longstanding tradition. Are you aware of any religions that have cbayer Oct 2014 #18

What does length of time matter? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #21

It matters because you are proposing that someone would invent cbayer Oct 2014 #24

As long as it's not sharp TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #54

Now somebody downthread posted a picture Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #59

Actually, they are a dagger TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #68

Welcome to DU and to the religion group TMWAH! Love your name. cbayer Oct 2014 #76

As opposed to bringing a knife to cut a steak exboyfil Oct 2014 #10

She should have said her deeply held religious beliefs demanded it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #13

But that would have been a lie. cbayer Oct 2014 #26

As opposed to an honestly held but delusional belief? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #28

Define delusional? Do you think all religious beliefs are delusional? cbayer Oct 2014 #30

Me personally? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #34

Well, your belief that all religious people are delusional is why cbayer Oct 2014 #36

Heh, nice ad hom. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #40

It's not an ad hom, it's a true reflection of the position that you hold. cbayer Oct 2014 #45

Yes, I am a BSN, and yes I've done psych rotations Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #49

It's not about proclaiming, it's about diagnosing. cbayer Oct 2014 #53

I'm not diagnosing either. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #57

What would you do with an atheist patient who declared himself to be Christopher Hitchens? rug Oct 2014 #69

Not bring up religion? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #70

Well, then you may be well over your head in calling people delusional. cbayer Oct 2014 #75

Patronizing? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #77

They way that you describe your interaction with patients who are religious came cbayer Oct 2014 #80

I actually have seen quite a few religious nurses who 'take it work'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #82

And here is the crux of the matter, imo. cbayer Oct 2014 #83

I wasn't clear enough, I think Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #85

And I would make the argument that pain and religious belief are very similar. cbayer Oct 2014 #86

I believe belief or lack thereof are both choices. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #96

Your belief that religious belief is a choice is not cbayer Oct 2014 #97

I don't go around telling people Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #99

That might be even worse. Saying things about people cbayer Oct 2014 #102

I'm saying it in a public forum. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #109

I was responding to your statement that you don't tell religious people cbayer Oct 2014 #111

So now we can call bullshit on religious people? Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #33

Being a member of a religious group does not require that someone follow all cbayer Oct 2014 #35

Does being a member of a religious group require following any tenets of the religion at all? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #100

I don't think it necessarily does require that you follow specific tenets. cbayer Oct 2014 #103

The tenets of atheism are ridiculously simple Fumesucker Oct 2014 #104

Well, FS, I would make the same contention about theism. cbayer Oct 2014 #105

I'm thoroughly used to being in the "evil person with no morals" bowl.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #106

No one should be used to being in that bowl. cbayer Oct 2014 #107

It's kind of funny actually Fumesucker Oct 2014 #108

What do you think she means by "a good christian man". cbayer Oct 2014 #110

A man who is a Christian and she sees as being a moral person, it's basically a literal statement Fumesucker Oct 2014 #112

When that incident happened with your friend, how did you react? cbayer Oct 2014 #113

I was already seriously distraught and it made me more so Fumesucker Oct 2014 #114

So even though you don't take it personally, it hurts you personally. cbayer Oct 2014 #115

There are times we are more vulnerable than others, I got caught at a vulnerable moment Fumesucker Oct 2014 #116

Much ado about nothing Cartoonist Oct 2014 #12

Plus, I still haven't seen any examples of US schoolyard assaults using Kripans. riqster Oct 2014 #50

So who will be the first to start a church that declares the gun a holy symbol Agnosticsherbet Oct 2014 #55

Probably already exists. riqster Oct 2014 #67

I did a quick google search but could not find one. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2014 #81

it is a weapon rogerashton Oct 2014 #58

If a Sikh feels the need to fight, I expect he'd use something other than a kirpan. rug Oct 2014 #64

Yes, and Sikh soldiers are well trained in modern weapons systems. rogerashton Oct 2014 #72

Don't want kids expelled for pointing fingers and saying "pow!" either. rug Oct 2014 #73

Sikhs in the U.S.Army gladium et scutum Oct 2014 #93

Yes, and for some time now. rug Oct 2014 #95

We could say much the same about the crucifix. riqster Oct 2014 #65

No we could not. rogerashton Oct 2014 #71

No, the crucifix was and is a tool of violence. riqster Oct 2014 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author DreamGypsy Oct 2014 #78

An article about a wounding with a kirpan... DreamGypsy Oct 2014 #79

At the other end of the spectrum EvilAL Oct 2014 #87

Had not heard of this. Do you have a link? cbayer Oct 2014 #88

sure EvilAL Oct 2014 #89

That is a really tragic story and I hope they change the law as a result. cbayer Oct 2014 #90

Yeah, it doesn't make sense, EvilAL Oct 2014 #91

Some of the rules regarding medications for children are really counterproductive. cbayer Oct 2014 #92

Is it possible Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #94

There are many ways to accommodate this. rug Oct 2014 #101