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In reply to the discussion: Religious dagger OK at Auburn elementary school [View all]DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)79. An article about a wounding with a kirpan...
...the only one I found from a quick search.
But first, a note about the meaning of the kirpan from wikipedia:
The kirpan (/kɪərˈpɑːn/; Punjabi: ਕਿਰਪਾਨ kirpān) is a ceremonial sword or dagger carried by baptised Sikhs. It is a religious commandment given by Guru Gobind Singh in 1699 in which all baptised Sikhs must wear five articles of faith at all times, the kirpan being one of five articles.
The word kirpan has two roots - the first root is "kirpa", which means "mercy, grace, compassion, kindness"; the second root is "aan", which in turn means "honor, grace, dignity".
Sikhs embody the qualities of a "Sant Sipahi" or saint-soldier. One must have control over one's internal vices and be able to be constantly immersed in virtues clarified in the Guru Granth Sahib. A Sikh must also have the courage to defend the rights of all who are wrongfully oppressed or persecuted irrespective of their colour, caste or creed.
The word kirpan has two roots - the first root is "kirpa", which means "mercy, grace, compassion, kindness"; the second root is "aan", which in turn means "honor, grace, dignity".
Sikhs embody the qualities of a "Sant Sipahi" or saint-soldier. One must have control over one's internal vices and be able to be constantly immersed in virtues clarified in the Guru Granth Sahib. A Sikh must also have the courage to defend the rights of all who are wrongfully oppressed or persecuted irrespective of their colour, caste or creed.
And here's the article, Toronto Star, April 6, 2010, Brampton kirpan attack renews debate over Sikh daggers:
An attack in which a Brampton lawyer was stabbed using a Sikh ceremonial dagger is raising fears about renewed objections to the right to wear the religious symbol. The kirpan is banned in Denmark and France, but is allowed in most public places in Canada, including at schools.
The crowd of about 150 people was yelling obscenities and threats outside the Sikh Lehar Centre in Brampton when three temple officials stepped out to pacify them.
Within seconds, one in the crowd, clutching a thick steel bangle, punched Manjit Mangat, the 53-year-old president of the Sikh temple, in the face. Witnesses say at least two men brandished unsheathed kirpans, the Sikh ceremonial dagger.
The next moment, Mangat, a prominent Brampton lawyer, was on the ground his face bloodied and a 5-inch wound in his abdomen.
The crowd of about 150 people was yelling obscenities and threats outside the Sikh Lehar Centre in Brampton when three temple officials stepped out to pacify them.
Within seconds, one in the crowd, clutching a thick steel bangle, punched Manjit Mangat, the 53-year-old president of the Sikh temple, in the face. Witnesses say at least two men brandished unsheathed kirpans, the Sikh ceremonial dagger.
The next moment, Mangat, a prominent Brampton lawyer, was on the ground his face bloodied and a 5-inch wound in his abdomen.
What was the cause of this attack? From Law Times, Injured Sikh lawyer has no regrets:
Manjit Mangat, a former justice of the peace who practises in Brampton, Ont., is also a trustee of the Sikh Lehar Centre, where protesters turned out on April 2 to demonstrate against the appearance of a controversial preacher.
I dont know who my enemy is, Mangat says. People are communicating hate on Facebook and on the Internet. Its hard to understand the situation, even for me.
Doctors treated Mangat for multiple stab wounds after the protest turned violent. Although hes now recovering at home, Mangat says tension in the community continues to simmer.
Mangat started receiving demands to cancel an appearance by Darshan Singh in the days leading up to the event.
Singh once held one of the highest positions in the Sikh religion but has stoked controversy by suggesting followers of Sikhism shouldnt accept one of its holy books, a view that resulted in his excommunication earlier this year.
I dont know who my enemy is, Mangat says. People are communicating hate on Facebook and on the Internet. Its hard to understand the situation, even for me.
Doctors treated Mangat for multiple stab wounds after the protest turned violent. Although hes now recovering at home, Mangat says tension in the community continues to simmer.
Mangat started receiving demands to cancel an appearance by Darshan Singh in the days leading up to the event.
Singh once held one of the highest positions in the Sikh religion but has stoked controversy by suggesting followers of Sikhism shouldnt accept one of its holy books, a view that resulted in his excommunication earlier this year.
Religions are not immune to internal struggle and dissension.
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A weapon is still a weapon, even if you personally carry it for 'symbolic' reasons. nt
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2014
#3
Nice pun but I suspect there are more people stabbed in the eye with a pencil than with a kirpan.
rug
Oct 2014
#6
We'll see if it actually happens. Sikhs have been in public schools for many years.
riqster
Oct 2014
#14
Indeed. Do we confiscate crucifixes? Do schools forbid students having Qurans in their lockers?
riqster
Oct 2014
#16
You could take this one step further and forbid and religious people from being in
cbayer
Oct 2014
#19
I would be willing to go along with prohibiting 'atheist symbols' too, yes.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2014
#38
I went to a public secondary school. Two brothers in my class routinely wore yamulkes on holy days.
pinto
Oct 2014
#60
No, I don't think it's discrimination when students are asked to wear uniforms, though
cbayer
Oct 2014
#74
I would say that a student wearing or carrying religious symbols is being religious
cbayer
Oct 2014
#22
I don't believe there's a state in the union that actually forces you to attend public schools.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2014
#25
You need to be prepared to leave your religion at home if you attend a public school?
cbayer
Oct 2014
#27
You, then, want a segregated society. In which religious people may not express themselves...
riqster
Oct 2014
#29
What would you do with an atheist patient who declared himself to be Christopher Hitchens?
rug
Oct 2014
#69
They way that you describe your interaction with patients who are religious came
cbayer
Oct 2014
#80
I actually have seen quite a few religious nurses who 'take it work'.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2014
#82
Does being a member of a religious group require following any tenets of the religion at all?
Fumesucker
Oct 2014
#100
A man who is a Christian and she sees as being a moral person, it's basically a literal statement
Fumesucker
Oct 2014
#112
There are times we are more vulnerable than others, I got caught at a vulnerable moment
Fumesucker
Oct 2014
#116
Plus, I still haven't seen any examples of US schoolyard assaults using Kripans.
riqster
Oct 2014
#50
So who will be the first to start a church that declares the gun a holy symbol
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2014
#55
If a Sikh feels the need to fight, I expect he'd use something other than a kirpan.
rug
Oct 2014
#64