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cbayer

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80. They way that you describe your interaction with patients who are religious came

Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:24 PM

Oct 2014

across as fairly patronizing. If I misunderstood you, then I apologize.

If you are using the lay term, then I will give you much more leeway. However, I will challenge you if you say that it means believing in things that don't exist. Until you have evidence that those things don't exist, you have no standing to say such a thing.

If you want to define delusional as believing in something for which there is no proof, then you are using a very broad, lay definition which becomes troublesome when applied to other areas.

If you tell me you love your wife (this is just an example) and there really is no way for you to prove that, can I call you delusional?

All good clinicians master the technique that you describe. Neither disagreeing nor agreeing with them when it comes to religion or politics is the most professional thing to do. I would hope that you would never tell someone that they are wrong when it comes to their religious beliefs, even though you do seem to believe that.

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Religious dagger OK at Auburn elementary school [View all] rug Oct 2014 OP

I resignedly await the next iteration. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #1

While you're waiting, this is the purpose of the kirpan: rug Oct 2014 #2

A weapon is still a weapon, even if you personally carry it for 'symbolic' reasons. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #3

A pencil is still a pencil, even if it's sticking out of someone's eye. rug Oct 2014 #4

That's a good point, given the billions of people Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #5

Nice pun but I suspect there are more people stabbed in the eye with a pencil than with a kirpan. rug Oct 2014 #6

Bollocks. This is a real religion, not some sort of NRA-front group. riqster Oct 2014 #7

My point is actually Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #8

Then phrase it better. riqster Oct 2014 #9

Well, there is that too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #11

We'll see if it actually happens. Sikhs have been in public schools for many years. riqster Oct 2014 #14

Separation of church and state is clear to me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #15

Indeed. Do we confiscate crucifixes? Do schools forbid students having Qurans in their lockers? riqster Oct 2014 #16

See the edit I was writing while you were writing your comment. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #17

You could take this one step further and forbid and religious people from being in cbayer Oct 2014 #19

Works for me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #23

Your position is so extreme. It makes me very grateful cbayer Oct 2014 #32

I would be willing to go along with prohibiting 'atheist symbols' too, yes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #38

I wouldn't go along with prohibiting either one. cbayer Oct 2014 #42

Ah, 'so fragile'... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #44

No, minority groups are rarely the problem. cbayer Oct 2014 #47

I'll challenge your language. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #56

I went to a public secondary school. Two brothers in my class routinely wore yamulkes on holy days. pinto Oct 2014 #60

Privilege and power issues always revolve around who is doing them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #61

I'll check out the video. If a public school setting, that's way over the line. pinto Oct 2014 #66

No, I don't think it's discrimination when students are asked to wear uniforms, though cbayer Oct 2014 #74

I almost agree. I don't think PROMOTION of religion belongs in schools. riqster Oct 2014 #20

I would say that a student wearing or carrying religious symbols is being religious cbayer Oct 2014 #22

I don't believe there's a state in the union that actually forces you to attend public schools. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #25

You need to be prepared to leave your religion at home if you attend a public school? cbayer Oct 2014 #27

Quite true. My people came here to be free. riqster Oct 2014 #37

Agree. It is startling to see this kind of extremism. cbayer Oct 2014 #41

You, then, want a segregated society. In which religious people may not express themselves... riqster Oct 2014 #29

Well said. I am rather stunned by this extreme position. cbayer Oct 2014 #31

I feel you're misprepresenting my position. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #39

Crap. The Sikh kid's knife WAS NOT ON DISPLAY. riqster Oct 2014 #43

No, I've been talking about multiple beliefs I hold. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #46

Again, crap. "Weapons" at school? riqster Oct 2014 #48

Thank God you're here to protect Christians from us Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #51

Oh, I would not for a moment assume you speak for all atheists. Just yourself. riqster Oct 2014 #62

A "real religion"? phil89 Oct 2014 #52

As opposed to the construct I responded to. riqster Oct 2014 #63

All religions are 'invented'. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #98

S'truth. As are many human creations. riqster Oct 2014 #117

This is a longstanding tradition. Are you aware of any religions that have cbayer Oct 2014 #18

What does length of time matter? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #21

It matters because you are proposing that someone would invent cbayer Oct 2014 #24

As long as it's not sharp TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #54

Now somebody downthread posted a picture Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #59

Actually, they are a dagger TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #68

Welcome to DU and to the religion group TMWAH! Love your name. cbayer Oct 2014 #76

As opposed to bringing a knife to cut a steak exboyfil Oct 2014 #10

She should have said her deeply held religious beliefs demanded it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #13

But that would have been a lie. cbayer Oct 2014 #26

As opposed to an honestly held but delusional belief? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #28

Define delusional? Do you think all religious beliefs are delusional? cbayer Oct 2014 #30

Me personally? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #34

Well, your belief that all religious people are delusional is why cbayer Oct 2014 #36

Heh, nice ad hom. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #40

It's not an ad hom, it's a true reflection of the position that you hold. cbayer Oct 2014 #45

Yes, I am a BSN, and yes I've done psych rotations Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #49

It's not about proclaiming, it's about diagnosing. cbayer Oct 2014 #53

I'm not diagnosing either. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #57

What would you do with an atheist patient who declared himself to be Christopher Hitchens? rug Oct 2014 #69

Not bring up religion? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #70

Well, then you may be well over your head in calling people delusional. cbayer Oct 2014 #75

Patronizing? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #77

They way that you describe your interaction with patients who are religious came cbayer Oct 2014 #80

I actually have seen quite a few religious nurses who 'take it work'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #82

And here is the crux of the matter, imo. cbayer Oct 2014 #83

I wasn't clear enough, I think Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #85

And I would make the argument that pain and religious belief are very similar. cbayer Oct 2014 #86

I believe belief or lack thereof are both choices. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #96

Your belief that religious belief is a choice is not cbayer Oct 2014 #97

I don't go around telling people Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #99

That might be even worse. Saying things about people cbayer Oct 2014 #102

I'm saying it in a public forum. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #109

I was responding to your statement that you don't tell religious people cbayer Oct 2014 #111

So now we can call bullshit on religious people? Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #33

Being a member of a religious group does not require that someone follow all cbayer Oct 2014 #35

Does being a member of a religious group require following any tenets of the religion at all? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #100

I don't think it necessarily does require that you follow specific tenets. cbayer Oct 2014 #103

The tenets of atheism are ridiculously simple Fumesucker Oct 2014 #104

Well, FS, I would make the same contention about theism. cbayer Oct 2014 #105

I'm thoroughly used to being in the "evil person with no morals" bowl.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #106

No one should be used to being in that bowl. cbayer Oct 2014 #107

It's kind of funny actually Fumesucker Oct 2014 #108

What do you think she means by "a good christian man". cbayer Oct 2014 #110

A man who is a Christian and she sees as being a moral person, it's basically a literal statement Fumesucker Oct 2014 #112

When that incident happened with your friend, how did you react? cbayer Oct 2014 #113

I was already seriously distraught and it made me more so Fumesucker Oct 2014 #114

So even though you don't take it personally, it hurts you personally. cbayer Oct 2014 #115

There are times we are more vulnerable than others, I got caught at a vulnerable moment Fumesucker Oct 2014 #116

Much ado about nothing Cartoonist Oct 2014 #12

Plus, I still haven't seen any examples of US schoolyard assaults using Kripans. riqster Oct 2014 #50

So who will be the first to start a church that declares the gun a holy symbol Agnosticsherbet Oct 2014 #55

Probably already exists. riqster Oct 2014 #67

I did a quick google search but could not find one. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2014 #81

it is a weapon rogerashton Oct 2014 #58

If a Sikh feels the need to fight, I expect he'd use something other than a kirpan. rug Oct 2014 #64

Yes, and Sikh soldiers are well trained in modern weapons systems. rogerashton Oct 2014 #72

Don't want kids expelled for pointing fingers and saying "pow!" either. rug Oct 2014 #73

Sikhs in the U.S.Army gladium et scutum Oct 2014 #93

Yes, and for some time now. rug Oct 2014 #95

We could say much the same about the crucifix. riqster Oct 2014 #65

No we could not. rogerashton Oct 2014 #71

No, the crucifix was and is a tool of violence. riqster Oct 2014 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author DreamGypsy Oct 2014 #78

An article about a wounding with a kirpan... DreamGypsy Oct 2014 #79

At the other end of the spectrum EvilAL Oct 2014 #87

Had not heard of this. Do you have a link? cbayer Oct 2014 #88

sure EvilAL Oct 2014 #89

That is a really tragic story and I hope they change the law as a result. cbayer Oct 2014 #90

Yeah, it doesn't make sense, EvilAL Oct 2014 #91

Some of the rules regarding medications for children are really counterproductive. cbayer Oct 2014 #92

Is it possible Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #94

There are many ways to accommodate this. rug Oct 2014 #101