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trotsky

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78. Ugh

Tue Oct 28, 2014, 01:28 PM

Oct 2014

He lamented that there are so many “new forms” of unions which are “totally destructive and limiting the greatness of the love of marriage.”

Oh but we're told right here on DU he's just the greatest person ever and is trying so desperately to change things.

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Pope's fine words on homosexuality are useless while the Catholic church still calls it a sin [View all] trotsky Oct 2014 OP

But...but...this is SUCH wonderful progress!! skepticscott Oct 2014 #1

Do you think personally you are bound for hell? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #2

I hope so. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #5

There no evidence that hell exists. trotsky Oct 2014 #7

Whether there is evidence of hell, in response to your original post I guess I was asking you if you Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #9

Not my words. trotsky Oct 2014 #11

You need to judge you, this is your walk to walk, not mine, not others. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #14

Well, as long as the Catholic Church is presuming to judge others skepticscott Oct 2014 #19

When the religious stop judging others - and attempting to control others... trotsky Oct 2014 #20

Right! Starboard Tack Oct 2014 #76

Says a man who is extremely judmental when it comes to religion Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #79

You bet your ass I am. trotsky Oct 2014 #80

When you say Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #81

Oh I see, when your church is spreading bigotry and hatred... trotsky Oct 2014 #82

Which is, of course, not what I said. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #83

Yeah, it is. trotsky Oct 2014 #84

Perhaps the message you are getting from Pope Francis is whatever you want to hear. mr blur Oct 2014 #21

Erm, I'm pretty sure the Church doesn't actually get to decide who is Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #3

Agreed, and neither does other humans. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #6

But what the RCC thinks Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #23

Then mark them on ignore Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #32

This is the saddest kind of apologetics to see skepticscott Oct 2014 #34

Where in the hell did you come up with this interruption? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #35

Not sure why this is an interruption skepticscott Oct 2014 #39

I did not say the post you wrote, and you apparently do not know what Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #40

You're essentially saying bvf Oct 2014 #43

Apparently you did not follow the entire posts, it was to tell Trotsky to feel good about himself Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #59

Apparently I did. n/t bvf Oct 2014 #61

Perhaps you got yourself confused, never said what you posted. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #62

Yeesh. bvf Oct 2014 #73

You don't understand so see ya Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #74

'K bye! n/t bvf Oct 2014 #75

Why is it that Catholic apologists skepticscott Oct 2014 #46

Babbling, yep, you seem to babble and don't know what you are talking about, see ya. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #60

It may have been the case long ago but today, Live and Learn Oct 2014 #55

I'll tell that to my gay friends Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #37

perhaps I have missed how your post helps, could you explain how your Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #38

My post was sarcasm Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #64

How does this build self confidence? I have not defended the RCC, but defended personal choices. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #66

Actually, the RCC is pretty damn sure they know. trotsky Oct 2014 #8

They don't teach that they decide who goes to hell. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #10

I'm pretty sure they do. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #12

I said they do not teach that they decide who goes to hell. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #13

It kind of is. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #15

No, you are being presumptuous. rug Oct 2014 #17

Does the RCC teach that those who die Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #24

Yes. Do you know any? rug Oct 2014 #26

Does the RCC have a list of those things that are moral sins? Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #27

People. Do you know of anyone who is going to hell? rug Oct 2014 #28

Catholic doctrine claims God judges the living and the dead, no one else. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #18

That's not the problem Cartoonist Oct 2014 #25

I am wellaware but my point is while they may claim that certain actions can get you to hell... hrmjustin Oct 2014 #30

So your god just willy-nilly throws bvf Oct 2014 #44

Silly fiction? What makes you so certain there is no afterlife? hrmjustin Oct 2014 #45

What makes you think there is? bvf Oct 2014 #47

I didn't ask you to.I asked you what makes you so certain. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #48

How certain are you that there is one? edhopper Oct 2014 #49

I am fairly certain but like most people of faith I have my doubts. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #50

Seeing no evidence that there is an afterlife edhopper Oct 2014 #52

Fair enough. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #54

OK, then (sigh). bvf Oct 2014 #51

I base my view of the afterlife on Christianity. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #53

Because I haven't seen any evidence. bvf Oct 2014 #56

I don't believe in hell. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #57

That's an excellent start. bvf Oct 2014 #58

"Here are some rules. Follow some. Break others if you like. It doesn't matter." Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #65

Only if it was about edhopper Oct 2014 #72

Really? One decided that I wasn't worth baptizing, because I was going to hell along with mom AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #67

Individuals can say what they like but Catholic doctrine is that God judges the living and dead. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #68

That doesn't seem to be how the rubber meets the road. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #69

Give the RCC another two or three generations. bvf Oct 2014 #4

They're still working their way up to the Middle Ages. mr blur Oct 2014 #22

On second thought, you're a lot closer. n/t bvf Oct 2014 #42

That's precisely why both this synod and the upcoming one are important. rug Oct 2014 #16

There's a Catch 22 in this equation, however theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #41

That's true but there is a caveat. rug Oct 2014 #63

But why does the RCC fight even civil marriages for LGBTs? theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #70

Because the peop'e who control it are politically conservative. rug Oct 2014 #71

"We've got no intention of ... going out of business" Laughing Mirror Oct 2014 #29

Heh, yeah, noticed that too. trotsky Oct 2014 #31

I can't tell if this is more wishfukl thinking or more bullshit. rug Oct 2014 #33

The default position is "bullshit" okasha Oct 2014 #36

'What is being proposed is not marriage' � Pope calls for defense of family theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #77

Ugh trotsky Oct 2014 #78