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okasha

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Tue Oct 28, 2014, 10:54 PM

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Pope Francis says evolution is real and God is no wizard [View all] cbayer Oct 2014 OP

Not exactly. trotsky Oct 2014 #1

Sorry--sounds to me like he's buying off on BIG BANG. That's the Big Picture. No Jesus riding Dino! MADem Oct 2014 #3

He's not saying anything new at all, as the article points out muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #39

Why are people getting so angry about it, I wonder? MADem Oct 2014 #102

Are people 'angry'? I thought the general DU atheist response has been 'same old BS' muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #103

No, not here, necessarily--in some of the links I've seen on the topic, the rhetoric is strident. nt MADem Oct 2014 #104

They're upset that Francis fails to conform to their favorite okasha Oct 2014 #107

It's the tradition of "double-talk." immoderate Oct 2014 #2

How so? cbayer Oct 2014 #4

Natural selection is god's will. immoderate Oct 2014 #6

I'm not sure they are contradictory cbayer Oct 2014 #7

It depends on whether you see a difference between "natural" and "super-natural." immoderate Oct 2014 #9

I most definitely see a difference, cbayer Oct 2014 #11

In the same way, "fantasy" and "reality" are also compatible. immoderate Oct 2014 #17

Of course! trotsky Oct 2014 #19

Do you have no use for fantasy? cbayer Oct 2014 #22

Fantasy has a place, but not as substitute for reality. immoderate Oct 2014 #30

I would't make the claim that fantasy should substitute for reality, cbayer Oct 2014 #32

when fantasy substitutes for reality what one has is delusional behavior. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #53

And then there's your own fantasy. okasha Oct 2014 #55

That seems to be a common and growing sentiment in some circles. cbayer Oct 2014 #56

I think it's just another variant okasha Oct 2014 #58

That describes it very well. cbayer Oct 2014 #59

Those "scientific minds" did not embrace religion while they were doing science. immoderate Oct 2014 #71

That is completely inaccurate. cbayer Oct 2014 #73

Copernicus, eh? immoderate Oct 2014 #81

I wasn't bringing him up as someone funded by the church, cbayer Oct 2014 #83

The church made no conscious contributions to science that I am aware of. immoderate Oct 2014 #84

I just pointed out that the church funded the first universities. cbayer Oct 2014 #86

Religious institutions have done good things. Religion, not so much. immoderate Oct 2014 #87

What is the difference between religious institutions and religion? cbayer Oct 2014 #88

Religious institutions include schools, hospitals, shelters, lobbyists, etc. Religions are faith. immoderate Oct 2014 #90

It doesn't escape as many as it haunts. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #95

Lol, you are hilarious. But I do love me some NDT. cbayer Oct 2014 #96

Since they mean different things, I, for one, do not equate them. immoderate Oct 2014 #67

Who said you did? okasha Oct 2014 #70

I somehow got the thought that it was you who said... immoderate Oct 2014 #74

My bad. I thought your post was made by a different person. okasha Oct 2014 #79

I made no such implication. You made an inference. immoderate Oct 2014 #82

Heh... gcomeau Oct 2014 #13

Heh�. cbayer Oct 2014 #15

Oh really? gcomeau Oct 2014 #16

One thing you need to remember here... trotsky Oct 2014 #18

that's a disingenuous as when one does weaken/distort/misrepresent another's words. rug Oct 2014 #75

I don't really care if they say "because god" cbayer Oct 2014 #21

"I don't care if they say '2+2 = purple banana'"... gcomeau Oct 2014 #25

No, they are not the same at all. cbayer Oct 2014 #26

They are precisely the same gcomeau Oct 2014 #27

The position he appears to take, and that religious scientists in general take, cbayer Oct 2014 #28

If that is the position he takes then his position is nonsensical. gcomeau Oct 2014 #31

Something which is unfalsifiable now may not be later. cbayer Oct 2014 #34

"Unfalsifiable" does not mean... gcomeau Oct 2014 #45

No it means it can't be proven false.. cbayer Oct 2014 #46

Not in science it doesn't. gcomeau Oct 2014 #47

That doesn't say what you said, though. cbayer Oct 2014 #48

Please review the meaning of "logical possibility" gcomeau Oct 2014 #49

I reviewed it. Logical possibilities can change with time. cbayer Oct 2014 #50

No they cannot. gcomeau Oct 2014 #60

You are obviously using some strict definitions that are probably unique cbayer Oct 2014 #61

no he is using the words as they are defined. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #63

Stunning gcomeau Oct 2014 #97

Some of us here? Who in the world do you represent? cbayer Oct 2014 #98

There are several in this thread, please don't play stupid. gcomeau Oct 2014 #99

Play stupid? I wouldn't dare. cbayer Oct 2014 #100

And yet there you go again. gcomeau Oct 2014 #101

Well at least it's clear to everyone but her that she conceded the point. trotsky Oct 2014 #106

I'm not sure why I bother engaging honestly. gcomeau Oct 2014 #110

Words have meanings Alittleliberal Oct 2014 #105

Depends on your frame of reference. okasha Oct 2014 #65

No, it doesn't. gcomeau Oct 2014 #89

Please note quote marks. okasha Oct 2014 #108

Ok, noted. gcomeau Oct 2014 #109

Nothing illogical happens in any geometry as all geometries rely on logic to build theorums from Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #91

Only in the absurd apologists dictionary of obfuscations. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #52

Is that where you got the notion to insert LGBT issues in a discussion about evolution? rug Oct 2014 #76

As far as his teaching on evolution TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #5

I do think the evolution position is pretty standard, particularly in catholic schools. cbayer Oct 2014 #8

+1 HockeyMom Oct 2014 #10

Did they take this position on the big bang? cbayer Oct 2014 #12

Now that you let on to your age, HockeyMom TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #14

My Grandson is only 5 months old HockeyMom Oct 2014 #24

+2 okasha Oct 2014 #54

Interesting character, this pope. pinto Oct 2014 #20

Yes, his approach on this matter is definitely Jesuit. cbayer Oct 2014 #23

Pius XII said it in 1950. rug Oct 2014 #29

God is not a divine being" Lordquinton Oct 2014 #33

That is confusing and I am wondering if there might be a translation problem here. cbayer Oct 2014 #35

You certailny need it if you're relying on truncated quotes. rug Oct 2014 #37

"not a demiurge" is a more accurate translation muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #41

That's very helpful. cbayer Oct 2014 #43

Thank you. okasha Oct 2014 #57

that clears a lot up Lordquinton Oct 2014 #69

So? beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #36

Probably because antitheists tend to conflate religion with fundamentalist literalism. rug Oct 2014 #38

Is cbayer an antitheist who tends "to conflate religion with fundamentalist literalism" too? beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #40

You're imputing things to another member that may or may not be there. rug Oct 2014 #72

I seriously wonder if the Vatican PR drew attention to this to avoid the exorcist story muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #42

That would explain it. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #44

So Blank Frank is an ID obfuscator rather than an outright creationist. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #51

Not until it explains ex nihilo. rug Oct 2014 #77

BUT-- xfundy Oct 2014 #62

God saves white people from Ebola but lets black people die. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #64

That was rancid. okasha Oct 2014 #66

At least he's not using raped children again to make a missed point. rug Oct 2014 #78

There is that. okasha Oct 2014 #80

Really? I am sure that you don't actually believe any of that, so cbayer Oct 2014 #68

You mean mocking like openly bragging about laughing at someone's holy book? trotsky Oct 2014 #93

This is just Pope Francis being Pope Francis goldent Oct 2014 #85

I really thought people at DU could recognize a PR stunt when they saw one. Goblinmonger Oct 2014 #92

After having read more about this, I agree with you. cbayer Oct 2014 #111

This is not a new thing Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #94