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cleanhippie

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39. Sigh. I never demanded any such thing, you incorrectly inferred that, despite my attempts to correct

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:17 PM

Mar 2012

that.

You are right, that if you cannot see how the belief in one absurd concept (Obama being a muslim socialist) is exactly the same as the belief in another absurd concept (for example, the belief that Xenu brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs), we will never find common ground. And that makes me sad.

Unless you AGREE that the belief that Obama is a socialist muslim and the belief that Xenu brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs are equally absurd? Because from your argument up to this point, you say that there IS a difference between the two beliefs. Do you still hold that opinion when comparing these two examples?

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Is it really that difficult to accept that there is a huge difference between... [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2012 OP

why is ridicule necessary if you are actually wanting a discussion seabeyond Mar 2012 #1

I feel like you did not grasp the point of my post. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #2

i did absolutely grasp your point. and since you see that it is an absolute necessity seabeyond Mar 2012 #3

How much respect do you have for the belief that Obama is a muslim socialist? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #4

the example you are using is not the same as religion. that is why i ignored it seabeyond Mar 2012 #5

It is a belief like any other. It is exactly the same. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #6

you cannot prove there is not a god. you can prove obama is not.... whatever. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #8

Are you telling me that religious belief is deserving of a different standard than other beliefs? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #10

i have stated what i meant cleanhippie. you dont get it, that is fine. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #11

You are applying a double-standard, but have yet to explain why. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #12

no. i am not applying a double standard. you refuse to hear my position and DEMAND i accept your seabeyond Mar 2012 #14

Yet you are doing just that, and refusing to answer a simple, direct question. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #16

i did not come in here and reply to a post about demanding people not be offended with ridicule seabeyond Mar 2012 #18

Had I demanded anything of the sort, then you would have a point. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #20

cant you tell the difference of ridicule of religion as opposed to the person. think about it. seabeyond Mar 2012 #22

I do not know how my postion can be made any clearer. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #25

i dont know how i can be more clear, that your position on religion cannot be equated to seabeyond Mar 2012 #31

You have been clear on that, but have yet to explain why. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #32

this is the point. you are (see, i cant say the word cause you turn it to slang and my post gets seabeyond Mar 2012 #35

Sigh. I never demanded any such thing, you incorrectly inferred that, despite my attempts to correct cleanhippie Mar 2012 #39

So the "you can't prove me wrong" defense... Silent3 Mar 2012 #71

mmm, i believe the discussion was to expect to be able to ridicule without a person being offended seabeyond Mar 2012 #72

As I just said in other post, of course many people take offense... Silent3 Mar 2012 #77

i didnt bring it up, and if you will take note the poster seabeyond Mar 2012 #80

Wow, just like a sleazy politician on a talk show Silent3 Mar 2012 #81

yes. i replied to the poster that demanded that people not be offended. seabeyond Mar 2012 #82

You're allowed to address whatever you like Silent3 Mar 2012 #83

i am allowed to address whatever, which results in insults.... seabeyond Mar 2012 #84

Since you responded before I could edit my previous post to add... Silent3 Mar 2012 #85

silent seabeyond Mar 2012 #86

At least in this last comment, where did I say anything about motivations? Silent3 Mar 2012 #88

you are funny seabeyond Mar 2012 #89

I'm sure "funny" was meant only as praise... Silent3 Mar 2012 #93

funny... was making me chuckle. but i am done here. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #94

Ah, yes, pointing out that something you're in obvious disagreement with... Silent3 Mar 2012 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Mar 2012 #90

His "true intent"? Ah yes, one can only wonder what that is. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #51

When you say "maybe we should ridicule HIM..." cleanhippie Mar 2012 #52

Bravo! How does it feel? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #55

i am kinda in the same place as you seabeyond Mar 2012 #54

Most people here see no problem mocking skepticscott Mar 2012 #63

i dont know about most people. plenty of people choose not to mock seabeyond Mar 2012 #73

Yes, but you ridicule the holders of the belief Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #48

Many ideas are so demonstrably wrong or ridiculous that they deserve nothing more than ridicule. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #7

and here we differ. i dont know that i have ever used "mocking" to argue a point. seabeyond Mar 2012 #9

Oh, for crying out loud, we aren't saying religious people can't be offended! Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #13

we aren't saying religious people can't be offended! seabeyond Mar 2012 #15

What is the difference between saying that the belief that Obama is a muslim socialist is rediculous cleanhippie Mar 2012 #17

post 8. i already answered. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #19

Your "answer" is rediculous. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #21

it isnt rIdiculous. i promise. you cannot prove there is a god. we can prove seabeyond Mar 2012 #23

And you cannot prove that there is a god. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #26

You are applying a different logic to the same question. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #30

no. you are arguing two different arguments. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #37

No, Im not. And that is where our differences lay. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #40

I'm making remarkably accurate observation of oversensitive religious people. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #34

in your opinion. or you are insulting them, in others opinion. seabeyond Mar 2012 #36

so if I say I believe women are inferior to men Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #49

i didnt insist anyone respect differing opinion. i argued one cannt demand someone not be offended seabeyond Mar 2012 #53

I will remember you said that Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #75

you do that goblin.... and i challenge you to find a thread where i either mock or ridicule seabeyond Mar 2012 #79

That's just stupid SATIRical Mar 2012 #87

The TOS for this site includes a person's religion as one area where bigotry is not permitted. cbayer Mar 2012 #24

You mean like saying "creationists are all dumbasses" ? Is that bigotry? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #27

Of course that's bigotry. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #56

Absolutely correct. MineralMan Mar 2012 #57

Thank you. Respect! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #59

To be clear, he is referring to a post in which I called a group of Texas legislators cbayer Mar 2012 #60

Adding a link to the post (it was Indiana not Texas, btw) cbayer Mar 2012 #61

How is that being distorted? Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #76

Not as a bigot, but as a hypocrite skepticscott Mar 2012 #62

. cbayer Mar 2012 #66

Cute, but irrelevant skepticscott Mar 2012 #97

Host privileges cbayer Mar 2012 #99

My claim that you are a hypocrite skepticscott Mar 2012 #104

If I or cleanhippie or another "militant" atheist posted what you did Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #78

"Of course that's bigotry. Saying creationism is a dumb idea is not." The problem is... 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #64

If a creationist puts his belief on the table for discussion Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #68

Saying "neither of us know" is just intellectual cowardice skepticscott Mar 2012 #69

OK, so you think I'm an intellectual coward Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #91

Who is not letting anyone "live his/her life as he/she sees fit"? Silent3 Mar 2012 #98

Let's discuss this "delusional line" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #100

That the meaning of delusional is somewhat subjective... Silent3 Mar 2012 #101

Where is the bigotry? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #28

exactly and that is how it is in other protected groups. i wasnt even discussing that point seabeyond Mar 2012 #29

So basically any outspoken atheist is a bigot by default? Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #33

i pretty much know no one said that and is a made up argument on your part, that you can argue seabeyond Mar 2012 #38

You exactly said that there is no differnce between mocking a belief and a person. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #41

no. i didnt. i said do not expect a person to not be offended. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #42

You have stated that the ridicule of a belief and the ridicule of a person are the same thing. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #43

Just because someone is offended doesn't make what was said bigotry. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #44

Personhood is a belief tama Mar 2012 #45

"Mock them, ridicule them in public." rug Mar 2012 #46

So I think I see your point with Dawkins now. SamG Mar 2012 #47

I certainly don't. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #58

If our Pope says it we have to believe it. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #50

Then I would say don't complain about the criticism of atheism. nt humblebum Mar 2012 #65

I don't complain about 'criticism of atheism' LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #67

Who said you did? nt humblebum Mar 2012 #70

Not that people won't blur issues here anyway to avoid difficult questions... Silent3 Mar 2012 #74

In my opinion, it is partly because theism is really easy to ridicule ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #92

That's true, it may also be why so many of them resort to personal attacks. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #95

here's one take on this issue deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #102

I doubt it... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #103