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In reply to the discussion: Agnosticism for Idiots; or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the People Who Hate Atheists [View all]gcomeau
(5,764 posts)136. Sigh
"No Evidence For God - No Evidence For No God - No Evidence Either Way"
Ok, and?
You realize that saying there's no evidence either way has absolutely not one single solitary thing to do with atheism or theism, which are terms which denote the presence or absence of a BELIEF, not of EVIDENCE... right?
It also doesn't make you an agnostic... which is not a claim that there is not any evidence but the philosophical position that there CAN NEVER BE evidence. if you are taking the position that you believe it is impossible to EVER acquire evidence one way or another about God's existence THAT makes you an agnostic. Not a shoulder shrug and an "I dunno if there's a God..."
There is only one factor that determines whether a person is an atheist or a theist.. and that is whether their answer to the question "Do you believe a deity exists" is a yes or a no.
(Note: If you try to answer "I don't know" I almost guarantee you weren't paying attention to the question... because yes you do, unless you have some kind of severe psychological issue you should seek immediate help for because not knowing the content of your own thoughts is a pretty serious issue. And that certainly would not make you an agnostic, it would just make you terribly impaired)
And there is only one factor that determines whether a person is an agnostic (which they would be in addition to being either a theist or an theist) and that would be their answer to the question "Is it POSSIBLE to KNOW FOR CERTAIN whether God does or does not exist?"
(Note the difference in the nature of the question, one inquiring about a state of belief about existence of God, one inquiring about a state of belief about the ability to acquire evidence pertaining to that existence or lack thereof.)
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Agnosticism for Idiots; or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the People Who Hate Atheists [View all]
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
OP
"I don't wear labels to provide targets for those who disagree and feel like fighting."
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#213
Right, because posting an accurate definition of something is me not "liking" agnostics
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#3
Oh the context was clear. So was the fact that the author is an atheist not an agnostic.
rug
Nov 2014
#7
Let me know if I ever tell religious people that they're emotionally damaged and need help
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#48
I've been very honest with him regarding how I think his medication may be altering his behavior.
Maedhros
Nov 2014
#95
Way to misrepresent the op, rug. Here's the context (you seem to be having trouble with that)
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#68
But definitions are not a matter of opinion, words have specific meanings.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#32
Agnosticism - No Belief For - No Belief Against - Only No One Can Know Either Way
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#9
Wrong Again - No Evidence For God - No Evidence For No God - No Evidence Either Way
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#17
No - Wrong Again - Neither Theist - Neither Atheist - Leaves One At Agnosticism
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#23
As noted, you're an atheist, whether you decide to call yourself one or not
skepticscott
Nov 2014
#26
False Equivalency - One Of The Logical Fallacies - Meat Is Testable As Real - God Is Not
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#29
"your friends at the yacht club"? You don't speak for atheists I've met. They're above petty shit.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2014
#183
Exactly as I said, thank you for taking the time to post the links, will bookmark.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2014
#190
I wouldn't waste your time, bigots will always try to redefine 'atheism' to foster intolerance.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#199
Agnostic - No Evidence For - No Evidence Against - See One Definition Below
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#137
How Can No Evidence Lead To Contrary Positions - No Evidence For - No Evidence Against
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#25
Appears That The Explanation Cannot Account For Either No Evidence For Or No Evidence Against
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#30
You think a person who believes in something without evidence stands on equally logical footing
Act_of_Reparation
Nov 2014
#168
Ridicule - Another Logical Fallacy - No Facts To Either Support Or Dispute The Existence Of God
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#35
And the winner of the prize for the most Irrational Comment of the Day...
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#40
Ridicule - One Of The Logical Fallacies - Congratulations - Your Reliance On Logical Fallacy Is Noted
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#41
If Santa Claus Doesn't Exist - Why Does Anyone Have Anything To Not Believe In?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#43
Ridicule At Work Again - False Equivalency At Work Again - Santa Claus Is Not God
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#45
Ridicule Is A Form Of Ad Hominen Attack - An Identified And Defined Logical Fallacy
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#64
All Experience At DU Is Relative - Just As It Is In Other Non-Internet Life
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#114
Logical Fallacies Are Errors Of Reasoning Used In Debating Discourse - One Being Ridicule
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#124
sometimes we see absurd hole digging here, in your case you aren't doing that
Warren Stupidity
Nov 2014
#117
Theism And Atheism Both Require Belief - But Not Facts - Since No Facts Exist For Either Position
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#46
Atheism is the absence of belief. Your irrational belief to the contrary isn't based on facts.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#49
Atheism Requires Belief That No God Exists - Atheism Is Not Based On Fact - Just Like Theism
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#62
OK - Prove That God Does Not Exist - Can't Be Done - The Assertion Is Untestable - Hence, A Belief
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#78
I don't need to prove god doesn't exist. People who believe in him, do.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2014
#79
OK - Prove That God Does Exist - Can't Be Done - The Assertion Is Untestable - Hence, A Belief
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#80
Not Quite - Per The Definitions And Qualifications Provided - As Long As They Serve You - All Is Well
cantbeserious
Nov 2014
#88
Dictionary.com definition of agnosticism (for those who think the source in the op is biased)
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#15
Uh....in the military, when they ask you to fill in the blank to state your religious preference,
MADem
Nov 2014
#99
That's just not accurate. If you were "bullied" by a drill sergeant you should have reported it.
MADem
Nov 2014
#102
Just because you don't personally witness discrimination doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#106
If you think that "bible god doesn't exist and that is a given" you're probably an atheist.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#53
I agree redefining a term to make the person using it more comfortable is infuriating
Kalidurga
Nov 2014
#58
Just as well, it would be a little difficult to abolish non-belief in gods.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#91
This is Democratic Underground. Most of us--not all--but most of us support seeing more
MADem
Nov 2014
#103
The despair I feel about our political nightmare brings me here for distraction.
Warren Stupidity
Nov 2014
#122
When you see someone who is constantly bickering with members of an unpopular minority
Fumesucker
Nov 2014
#169
Frankly, I haven't read those things, and I don't doubt that they've been written.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2014
#176
By no means do I discount their plight, neither do I presume a stranger's condition.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2014
#187
Start at six or seven years old and tell someone they are bad, wicked for asking certain questions
Fumesucker
Nov 2014
#212
There is no question whatsoever that among believers and agnostics, some folks are mean.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2014
#174
No, but I've contributed to Scientific American, the Journal of the American Institute of Architects
NYC_SKP
Nov 2014
#202
Fighting bigots is frustrating, the anger directed at the bigots is simply a by product
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#204
I care when they try to redefine ME in order to spread lies about atheists.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2014
#201