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seabeyond

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53. i didnt insist anyone respect differing opinion. i argued one cannt demand someone not be offended

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:21 PM

Mar 2012

when they use ridicule for argument.

people work really hard to misrepresent what is actually said. i dont respect that much either.

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Is it really that difficult to accept that there is a huge difference between... [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2012 OP

why is ridicule necessary if you are actually wanting a discussion seabeyond Mar 2012 #1

I feel like you did not grasp the point of my post. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #2

i did absolutely grasp your point. and since you see that it is an absolute necessity seabeyond Mar 2012 #3

How much respect do you have for the belief that Obama is a muslim socialist? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #4

the example you are using is not the same as religion. that is why i ignored it seabeyond Mar 2012 #5

It is a belief like any other. It is exactly the same. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #6

you cannot prove there is not a god. you can prove obama is not.... whatever. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #8

Are you telling me that religious belief is deserving of a different standard than other beliefs? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #10

i have stated what i meant cleanhippie. you dont get it, that is fine. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #11

You are applying a double-standard, but have yet to explain why. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #12

no. i am not applying a double standard. you refuse to hear my position and DEMAND i accept your seabeyond Mar 2012 #14

Yet you are doing just that, and refusing to answer a simple, direct question. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #16

i did not come in here and reply to a post about demanding people not be offended with ridicule seabeyond Mar 2012 #18

Had I demanded anything of the sort, then you would have a point. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #20

cant you tell the difference of ridicule of religion as opposed to the person. think about it. seabeyond Mar 2012 #22

I do not know how my postion can be made any clearer. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #25

i dont know how i can be more clear, that your position on religion cannot be equated to seabeyond Mar 2012 #31

You have been clear on that, but have yet to explain why. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #32

this is the point. you are (see, i cant say the word cause you turn it to slang and my post gets seabeyond Mar 2012 #35

Sigh. I never demanded any such thing, you incorrectly inferred that, despite my attempts to correct cleanhippie Mar 2012 #39

So the "you can't prove me wrong" defense... Silent3 Mar 2012 #71

mmm, i believe the discussion was to expect to be able to ridicule without a person being offended seabeyond Mar 2012 #72

As I just said in other post, of course many people take offense... Silent3 Mar 2012 #77

i didnt bring it up, and if you will take note the poster seabeyond Mar 2012 #80

Wow, just like a sleazy politician on a talk show Silent3 Mar 2012 #81

yes. i replied to the poster that demanded that people not be offended. seabeyond Mar 2012 #82

You're allowed to address whatever you like Silent3 Mar 2012 #83

i am allowed to address whatever, which results in insults.... seabeyond Mar 2012 #84

Since you responded before I could edit my previous post to add... Silent3 Mar 2012 #85

silent seabeyond Mar 2012 #86

At least in this last comment, where did I say anything about motivations? Silent3 Mar 2012 #88

you are funny seabeyond Mar 2012 #89

I'm sure "funny" was meant only as praise... Silent3 Mar 2012 #93

funny... was making me chuckle. but i am done here. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #94

Ah, yes, pointing out that something you're in obvious disagreement with... Silent3 Mar 2012 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Mar 2012 #90

His "true intent"? Ah yes, one can only wonder what that is. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #51

When you say "maybe we should ridicule HIM..." cleanhippie Mar 2012 #52

Bravo! How does it feel? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #55

i am kinda in the same place as you seabeyond Mar 2012 #54

Most people here see no problem mocking skepticscott Mar 2012 #63

i dont know about most people. plenty of people choose not to mock seabeyond Mar 2012 #73

Yes, but you ridicule the holders of the belief Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #48

Many ideas are so demonstrably wrong or ridiculous that they deserve nothing more than ridicule. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #7

and here we differ. i dont know that i have ever used "mocking" to argue a point. seabeyond Mar 2012 #9

Oh, for crying out loud, we aren't saying religious people can't be offended! Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #13

we aren't saying religious people can't be offended! seabeyond Mar 2012 #15

What is the difference between saying that the belief that Obama is a muslim socialist is rediculous cleanhippie Mar 2012 #17

post 8. i already answered. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #19

Your "answer" is rediculous. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #21

it isnt rIdiculous. i promise. you cannot prove there is a god. we can prove seabeyond Mar 2012 #23

And you cannot prove that there is a god. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #26

You are applying a different logic to the same question. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #30

no. you are arguing two different arguments. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #37

No, Im not. And that is where our differences lay. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #40

I'm making remarkably accurate observation of oversensitive religious people. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #34

in your opinion. or you are insulting them, in others opinion. seabeyond Mar 2012 #36

so if I say I believe women are inferior to men Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #49

i didnt insist anyone respect differing opinion. i argued one cannt demand someone not be offended seabeyond Mar 2012 #53

I will remember you said that Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #75

you do that goblin.... and i challenge you to find a thread where i either mock or ridicule seabeyond Mar 2012 #79

That's just stupid SATIRical Mar 2012 #87

The TOS for this site includes a person's religion as one area where bigotry is not permitted. cbayer Mar 2012 #24

You mean like saying "creationists are all dumbasses" ? Is that bigotry? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #27

Of course that's bigotry. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #56

Absolutely correct. MineralMan Mar 2012 #57

Thank you. Respect! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #59

To be clear, he is referring to a post in which I called a group of Texas legislators cbayer Mar 2012 #60

Adding a link to the post (it was Indiana not Texas, btw) cbayer Mar 2012 #61

How is that being distorted? Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #76

Not as a bigot, but as a hypocrite skepticscott Mar 2012 #62

. cbayer Mar 2012 #66

Cute, but irrelevant skepticscott Mar 2012 #97

Host privileges cbayer Mar 2012 #99

My claim that you are a hypocrite skepticscott Mar 2012 #104

If I or cleanhippie or another "militant" atheist posted what you did Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #78

"Of course that's bigotry. Saying creationism is a dumb idea is not." The problem is... 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #64

If a creationist puts his belief on the table for discussion Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #68

Saying "neither of us know" is just intellectual cowardice skepticscott Mar 2012 #69

OK, so you think I'm an intellectual coward Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #91

Who is not letting anyone "live his/her life as he/she sees fit"? Silent3 Mar 2012 #98

Let's discuss this "delusional line" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #100

That the meaning of delusional is somewhat subjective... Silent3 Mar 2012 #101

Where is the bigotry? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #28

exactly and that is how it is in other protected groups. i wasnt even discussing that point seabeyond Mar 2012 #29

So basically any outspoken atheist is a bigot by default? Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #33

i pretty much know no one said that and is a made up argument on your part, that you can argue seabeyond Mar 2012 #38

You exactly said that there is no differnce between mocking a belief and a person. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #41

no. i didnt. i said do not expect a person to not be offended. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #42

You have stated that the ridicule of a belief and the ridicule of a person are the same thing. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #43

Just because someone is offended doesn't make what was said bigotry. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #44

Personhood is a belief tama Mar 2012 #45

"Mock them, ridicule them in public." rug Mar 2012 #46

So I think I see your point with Dawkins now. SamG Mar 2012 #47

I certainly don't. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #58

If our Pope says it we have to believe it. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #50

Then I would say don't complain about the criticism of atheism. nt humblebum Mar 2012 #65

I don't complain about 'criticism of atheism' LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #67

Who said you did? nt humblebum Mar 2012 #70

Not that people won't blur issues here anyway to avoid difficult questions... Silent3 Mar 2012 #74

In my opinion, it is partly because theism is really easy to ridicule ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #92

That's true, it may also be why so many of them resort to personal attacks. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #95

here's one take on this issue deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #102

I doubt it... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #103