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Goblinmonger

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124. What you do or don't say to MADem has impact on this discussion.

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 08:44 PM

Nov 2014

If you are going to hold yourself up as some kind of champion for all that is good and just and you just have to call out things as you see them, then you need to be a champion for that. You are saying that saying a certain thing is bad. MADem is saying exactly what you are saying is a bad thing. If you want to maintain a shred of credibility on your championing skills, you need to call it out everywhere. Even when your friends are doing it. When you don't, you just look like someone spluttering about something because it is being said by those you don't like and not because you find it to be repulsive across the board.

And the above discussion does not indicate I agree with you that the thing is being said by atheists because I don't believe it is.

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Exorcisms on the rise: Occult activity sparks 'pastoral emergency' [View all] theHandpuppet Nov 2014 OP

What century is it again? phil89 Nov 2014 #1

Is it true that if you don't pay the priest Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2014 #2

Too clever... PeoViejo Nov 2014 #52

Funny Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #155

Oh, geez, really? cbayer Nov 2014 #3

No, you weren't skepticscott Nov 2014 #5

That's an interesting double standard. trotsky Nov 2014 #7

That's pretty diingenuous. rug Nov 2014 #47

That the very concept of exorcism bvf Nov 2014 #8

I think it more represents a wish for an easy answer cbayer Nov 2014 #9

Easy answers = religion. bvf Nov 2014 #10

I did not say that. I said that about exorcisms. cbayer Nov 2014 #12

So where do you draw the line? bvf Nov 2014 #13

I draw the line at harm. cbayer Nov 2014 #16

Four simple questions bvf Nov 2014 #17

No, you asked one question and gave 4 options for my reply. cbayer Nov 2014 #19

You addressed none bvf Nov 2014 #21

I told you I draw the line at harm. cbayer Nov 2014 #23

I've asked already. bvf Nov 2014 #29

I do not have a belief in the afterlife, but I don't know for sure cbayer Nov 2014 #31

One thing she's never discussed... trotsky Nov 2014 #34

No, you don't draw the line at harm skepticscott Nov 2014 #57

Your concerns about exorcism have been expressed quite clearly here. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #20

I'll make it easier for you, Feral Child Nov 2014 #30

There is no need for you to make anything easier for me. cbayer Nov 2014 #32

Not really. Feral Child Nov 2014 #42

Waffle? I state my position and you think it's waffling? cbayer Nov 2014 #45

"Thrice you will deny me..." Feral Child Nov 2014 #69

Wait, now you are placing yourself in the role of Jesus Christ and me in the role of Peter? cbayer Nov 2014 #75

Quoting is not assuming a persona, but have I struck a nerve here? Feral Child Nov 2014 #90

No. Feral Child Nov 2014 #73

You remain unclear. Are you making the definitive statement that demons do not exist? cbayer Nov 2014 #76

I'm an adult. Feral Child Nov 2014 #86

Last post, because I think some clarification is needed. cbayer Nov 2014 #89

If you actually believed that skepticscott Nov 2014 #14

lead by example then Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #25

increase in demonic activity? LunaSea Nov 2014 #4

Duzy! hrmjustin Nov 2014 #11

Red alert! trotsky Nov 2014 #6

Who cares about this story believers are mentally ill anyway aren't they? Leontius Nov 2014 #15

That is one of the most despicable positions concerning religious cbayer Nov 2014 #18

That is a massively dishonest characterization, one that you have made repeatedly. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #24

So what do you believe in? bvf Nov 2014 #27

Oooooo, getting personal. That's a sure sign of losing a debate. cbayer Nov 2014 #33

I simply asked whether you believe in bvf Nov 2014 #36

And I answered you. But you made it personal by saying that I am good at telling cbayer Nov 2014 #37

Ah. Another non-answer. bvf Nov 2014 #113

I'm an agnostic, bvf. I know you don't like that answer, but that is my position regarding religion cbayer Nov 2014 #115

Hmm. bvf Nov 2014 #128

Yes, I did. cbayer Nov 2014 #129

Unbelievable. bvf Nov 2014 #130

No, absolutely believable. cbayer Nov 2014 #137

Oh, that's right--I forgot. bvf Nov 2014 #138

No, that's wrong. Religion is responsible for a lot of bad things in my view. cbayer Nov 2014 #139

Your view of religion couldn't be any squishier. bvf Nov 2014 #140

And yours any more rigid. cbayer Nov 2014 #143

When religions stop sucking at the public teat, claiming all manner skepticscott Nov 2014 #144

So much for doing good works without all the crowing bvf Nov 2014 #145

Well, that's because I am presumptuous, ignorant and insulting. cbayer Nov 2014 #146

Presumption upon presumption. bvf Nov 2014 #147

But if I take the plank out of my eye, I won't be able to make cbayer Nov 2014 #148

Looks like you could use bvf Nov 2014 #150

Yep, fresh bait is always useful, particularly when I start talking cbayer Nov 2014 #151

Oh, dear. okasha Nov 2014 #149

He's fun. Take my word for it. cbayer Nov 2014 #152

Perhaps another time. okasha Nov 2014 #153

Oh, dear. Was he fighting with the dolphins again? cbayer Nov 2014 #154

"Lord" has been taken. rug Nov 2014 #156

Much like people who claim that atheists are just believers who had a bad childhood experience trotsky Nov 2014 #28

Yup, the question in 47's been answered. rug Nov 2014 #48

And it continues TM99 Nov 2014 #51

Yes, I know. It is one of the ugliest of it's kind that I have seen here. cbayer Nov 2014 #53

I have stopped kidding myself that it is 'some' any longer. TM99 Nov 2014 #56

Would you accept the accusation skepticscott Nov 2014 #71

It's some and most people just stay away. cbayer Nov 2014 #74

I definitely stay away. TM99 Nov 2014 #91

Like I said, most people do. cbayer Nov 2014 #92

some believers are mentally ill, and the fact that religions exploit those people Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #22

Absolutely mental illness should only be treated by professionals Leontius Nov 2014 #40

Do you include 'exorcists' in 'professionals'? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #54

Not unless the exorcist has an MD in the fields that treat mental illness. Leontius Nov 2014 #55

Kinda rules out being an exorcist. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #60

There probably exist one idiot who has a degree in psychiatry and performs exorcisms Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #65

I don't know anyone in this group that has said all believers are mentally ill. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #38

I'm sorry. Did you forget to stop by A/A on your way over here? cbayer Nov 2014 #39

That's a hateful post, CB Feral Child Nov 2014 #43

A/A = Atheists and Agnostics Leontius Nov 2014 #44

It was still a hateful post. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #67

Thanks, Leontius. Feral Child Nov 2014 #70

OK, I hope you are kidding. I was, of course, referring to the Atheist/Agnostic group cbayer Nov 2014 #46

Amazing how many who accept nothing without evidence are quick to leap to conclusions. rug Nov 2014 #49

Yes and they are so rational and driven by reason and data and science! cbayer Nov 2014 #50

Ah, the delightful universe of acronyms. Feral Child Nov 2014 #72

You made an honest mistake because you don't know anything about me cbayer Nov 2014 #77

Fantasies? Feral Child Nov 2014 #84

How is calling your made up stories about me conceited? cbayer Nov 2014 #85

Our discussions won't be any more fruitful Feral Child Nov 2014 #88

Welcome to the religion forum. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #94

CB thinks she's subtle Feral Child Nov 2014 #157

cbayer's not a christian. beam me up scottie Nov 2014 #158

it doesn't seem to be more than a public facade Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #159

Well, christian apologia does make more sense coming from a christian... beam me up scottie Nov 2014 #160

I understand Feral Child Nov 2014 #161

Well, it often seems like you are more concerned about A/A than many of us. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #82

Oh, I doubt very much that I am more concerned than many of you, cbayer Nov 2014 #83

Yes, I was being specific Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #108

So it's ok for people to hold one position in one group and then cbayer Nov 2014 #109

I defy you to show us where either that thread or the original post is "ugly" skepticscott Nov 2014 #110

Just a question here that you may or may not know the answer to but post 25 in that thread hrmjustin Nov 2014 #118

There were 14 posters in that thread Leontius Nov 2014 #111

That's not a very good score, imo. cbayer Nov 2014 #114

Post 25 in that thread is a real gem. okasha Nov 2014 #116

I just saw that. talk about a wtf moment. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #117

The place s/he sat on to write it. okasha Nov 2014 #121

I a racking my brain to figure out what was meant. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #122

This is not a time for truth. It is a time for beliefs based on faith. cbayer Nov 2014 #119

If you had actually read the blog post behind the question skepticscott Nov 2014 #131

Not what I'm saying either. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #120

That's fine. It's your group and you make the rules. cbayer Nov 2014 #123

What you do or don't say to MADem has impact on this discussion. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #124

No, actually it doesn't cbayer Nov 2014 #125

Fair enough Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #126

You may challenge me or point out what you see as inconsistencies anytime you want. cbayer Nov 2014 #127

And yet you can't prove a word of what you claim skepticscott Nov 2014 #132

Facts are a fucking killer too bad you ignore them. Leontius Nov 2014 #41

So who has said that here? Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #81

well leontius said it. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #95

Well there you go case solved. Nothing to see here folks keep moving. Leontius Nov 2014 #98

Really. I guess ignorance is bliss as they say, willful or not. Leontius Nov 2014 #99

It's tempting to laugh at this, I know... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2014 #26

I agree that there is a history of harm and potential for harm here. cbayer Nov 2014 #35

And despite your claim to "draw the line at harm" skepticscott Nov 2014 #58

oh really? Previously you have supported the benefits such as "placebo effect". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #66

Ah, the Catholic Church. Full of shit as usual, with no clue as to how the universe works, or AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #59

You're going to get an ulcer. rug Nov 2014 #61

From what? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #62

Fulmination. rug Nov 2014 #63

You don't understand me at all. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #64

Catholic experts fear for their jobs, make shit up about 'occult activity' and spread fear muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #68

After reading this, I have to agree with your assessment here. cbayer Nov 2014 #78

Yeah, people got out of the habit of taking crazy people to doctors Warpy Nov 2014 #79

And even those that did often did not have coverage or had inadequate cbayer Nov 2014 #80

I hope your point isn't skepticscott Nov 2014 #93

Oh it's always amazing how an exorcism thread gets everyone's juices up here. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #87

What on earth posesses them to post the same stuff over and over? rug Nov 2014 #96

lol! it can be rather entertaining. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #97

Demons Leontius Nov 2014 #112

The tired repetition of humans taking the boogey man seriously. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #133

Oh, are exorcists the new bogeyman? rug Nov 2014 #135

No, but the field of 'expertise' they claim to be able to deal with, is. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #136

Actually I think this is an important article and not flame bait. cbayer Nov 2014 #100

Oh I agree the op is an honest poster. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #101

I agree about the OP but it was still cross-posted from A&A on trotsky's dare. rug Nov 2014 #102

Wow, just wow! I didn't know about the dare. cbayer Nov 2014 #103

I'm sure the suggestion wasn't made for the sake of a robust discussion. rug Nov 2014 #104

Lol! Thanks for the laugh. cbayer Nov 2014 #105

I agree. okasha Nov 2014 #106

Which is why your first response was "Oh, geez, really?". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #107

There is no 'legitimate' story about exorcism and the RCC. It's bullshit. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #134

The year is 2014. SamKnause Nov 2014 #141

The Middle Ages are alive and kicking. n/t bvf Nov 2014 #142