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cbayer

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125. No, actually it doesn't

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:02 PM

Nov 2014

There is no standard which I must live up to and I do not have to prove anything to you or anyone else, least of all to your friends.

If I see something I object to, I will respond…. or not. If I see something I agree with, I will respond… or not.

I will be a champion for what I choose.

I do not wish to discuss MADem with you now or ever.

You don't think I have a shred of creditability? Frankly, I don't care.

If you think I look like I am just spluttering about something, I don't care about that either.

I will have discussions with you, or not. I'm under absolutely no obligation to fulfill your demands about how I should behave.

You exercised your one small shard of power over me a long time ago. There is nothing left except to either have civil conversations with me… or not.

Your call.

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Exorcisms on the rise: Occult activity sparks 'pastoral emergency' [View all] theHandpuppet Nov 2014 OP

What century is it again? phil89 Nov 2014 #1

Is it true that if you don't pay the priest Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2014 #2

Too clever... PeoViejo Nov 2014 #52

Funny Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #155

Oh, geez, really? cbayer Nov 2014 #3

No, you weren't skepticscott Nov 2014 #5

That's an interesting double standard. trotsky Nov 2014 #7

That's pretty diingenuous. rug Nov 2014 #47

That the very concept of exorcism bvf Nov 2014 #8

I think it more represents a wish for an easy answer cbayer Nov 2014 #9

Easy answers = religion. bvf Nov 2014 #10

I did not say that. I said that about exorcisms. cbayer Nov 2014 #12

So where do you draw the line? bvf Nov 2014 #13

I draw the line at harm. cbayer Nov 2014 #16

Four simple questions bvf Nov 2014 #17

No, you asked one question and gave 4 options for my reply. cbayer Nov 2014 #19

You addressed none bvf Nov 2014 #21

I told you I draw the line at harm. cbayer Nov 2014 #23

I've asked already. bvf Nov 2014 #29

I do not have a belief in the afterlife, but I don't know for sure cbayer Nov 2014 #31

One thing she's never discussed... trotsky Nov 2014 #34

No, you don't draw the line at harm skepticscott Nov 2014 #57

Your concerns about exorcism have been expressed quite clearly here. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #20

I'll make it easier for you, Feral Child Nov 2014 #30

There is no need for you to make anything easier for me. cbayer Nov 2014 #32

Not really. Feral Child Nov 2014 #42

Waffle? I state my position and you think it's waffling? cbayer Nov 2014 #45

"Thrice you will deny me..." Feral Child Nov 2014 #69

Wait, now you are placing yourself in the role of Jesus Christ and me in the role of Peter? cbayer Nov 2014 #75

Quoting is not assuming a persona, but have I struck a nerve here? Feral Child Nov 2014 #90

No. Feral Child Nov 2014 #73

You remain unclear. Are you making the definitive statement that demons do not exist? cbayer Nov 2014 #76

I'm an adult. Feral Child Nov 2014 #86

Last post, because I think some clarification is needed. cbayer Nov 2014 #89

If you actually believed that skepticscott Nov 2014 #14

lead by example then Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #25

increase in demonic activity? LunaSea Nov 2014 #4

Duzy! hrmjustin Nov 2014 #11

Red alert! trotsky Nov 2014 #6

Who cares about this story believers are mentally ill anyway aren't they? Leontius Nov 2014 #15

That is one of the most despicable positions concerning religious cbayer Nov 2014 #18

That is a massively dishonest characterization, one that you have made repeatedly. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #24

So what do you believe in? bvf Nov 2014 #27

Oooooo, getting personal. That's a sure sign of losing a debate. cbayer Nov 2014 #33

I simply asked whether you believe in bvf Nov 2014 #36

And I answered you. But you made it personal by saying that I am good at telling cbayer Nov 2014 #37

Ah. Another non-answer. bvf Nov 2014 #113

I'm an agnostic, bvf. I know you don't like that answer, but that is my position regarding religion cbayer Nov 2014 #115

Hmm. bvf Nov 2014 #128

Yes, I did. cbayer Nov 2014 #129

Unbelievable. bvf Nov 2014 #130

No, absolutely believable. cbayer Nov 2014 #137

Oh, that's right--I forgot. bvf Nov 2014 #138

No, that's wrong. Religion is responsible for a lot of bad things in my view. cbayer Nov 2014 #139

Your view of religion couldn't be any squishier. bvf Nov 2014 #140

And yours any more rigid. cbayer Nov 2014 #143

When religions stop sucking at the public teat, claiming all manner skepticscott Nov 2014 #144

So much for doing good works without all the crowing bvf Nov 2014 #145

Well, that's because I am presumptuous, ignorant and insulting. cbayer Nov 2014 #146

Presumption upon presumption. bvf Nov 2014 #147

But if I take the plank out of my eye, I won't be able to make cbayer Nov 2014 #148

Looks like you could use bvf Nov 2014 #150

Yep, fresh bait is always useful, particularly when I start talking cbayer Nov 2014 #151

Oh, dear. okasha Nov 2014 #149

He's fun. Take my word for it. cbayer Nov 2014 #152

Perhaps another time. okasha Nov 2014 #153

Oh, dear. Was he fighting with the dolphins again? cbayer Nov 2014 #154

"Lord" has been taken. rug Nov 2014 #156

Much like people who claim that atheists are just believers who had a bad childhood experience trotsky Nov 2014 #28

Yup, the question in 47's been answered. rug Nov 2014 #48

And it continues TM99 Nov 2014 #51

Yes, I know. It is one of the ugliest of it's kind that I have seen here. cbayer Nov 2014 #53

I have stopped kidding myself that it is 'some' any longer. TM99 Nov 2014 #56

Would you accept the accusation skepticscott Nov 2014 #71

It's some and most people just stay away. cbayer Nov 2014 #74

I definitely stay away. TM99 Nov 2014 #91

Like I said, most people do. cbayer Nov 2014 #92

some believers are mentally ill, and the fact that religions exploit those people Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #22

Absolutely mental illness should only be treated by professionals Leontius Nov 2014 #40

Do you include 'exorcists' in 'professionals'? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #54

Not unless the exorcist has an MD in the fields that treat mental illness. Leontius Nov 2014 #55

Kinda rules out being an exorcist. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #60

There probably exist one idiot who has a degree in psychiatry and performs exorcisms Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #65

I don't know anyone in this group that has said all believers are mentally ill. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #38

I'm sorry. Did you forget to stop by A/A on your way over here? cbayer Nov 2014 #39

That's a hateful post, CB Feral Child Nov 2014 #43

A/A = Atheists and Agnostics Leontius Nov 2014 #44

It was still a hateful post. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #67

Thanks, Leontius. Feral Child Nov 2014 #70

OK, I hope you are kidding. I was, of course, referring to the Atheist/Agnostic group cbayer Nov 2014 #46

Amazing how many who accept nothing without evidence are quick to leap to conclusions. rug Nov 2014 #49

Yes and they are so rational and driven by reason and data and science! cbayer Nov 2014 #50

Ah, the delightful universe of acronyms. Feral Child Nov 2014 #72

You made an honest mistake because you don't know anything about me cbayer Nov 2014 #77

Fantasies? Feral Child Nov 2014 #84

How is calling your made up stories about me conceited? cbayer Nov 2014 #85

Our discussions won't be any more fruitful Feral Child Nov 2014 #88

Welcome to the religion forum. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #94

CB thinks she's subtle Feral Child Nov 2014 #157

cbayer's not a christian. beam me up scottie Nov 2014 #158

it doesn't seem to be more than a public facade Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #159

Well, christian apologia does make more sense coming from a christian... beam me up scottie Nov 2014 #160

I understand Feral Child Nov 2014 #161

Well, it often seems like you are more concerned about A/A than many of us. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #82

Oh, I doubt very much that I am more concerned than many of you, cbayer Nov 2014 #83

Yes, I was being specific Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #108

So it's ok for people to hold one position in one group and then cbayer Nov 2014 #109

I defy you to show us where either that thread or the original post is "ugly" skepticscott Nov 2014 #110

Just a question here that you may or may not know the answer to but post 25 in that thread hrmjustin Nov 2014 #118

There were 14 posters in that thread Leontius Nov 2014 #111

That's not a very good score, imo. cbayer Nov 2014 #114

Post 25 in that thread is a real gem. okasha Nov 2014 #116

I just saw that. talk about a wtf moment. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #117

The place s/he sat on to write it. okasha Nov 2014 #121

I a racking my brain to figure out what was meant. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #122

This is not a time for truth. It is a time for beliefs based on faith. cbayer Nov 2014 #119

If you had actually read the blog post behind the question skepticscott Nov 2014 #131

Not what I'm saying either. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #120

That's fine. It's your group and you make the rules. cbayer Nov 2014 #123

What you do or don't say to MADem has impact on this discussion. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #124

No, actually it doesn't cbayer Nov 2014 #125

Fair enough Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #126

You may challenge me or point out what you see as inconsistencies anytime you want. cbayer Nov 2014 #127

And yet you can't prove a word of what you claim skepticscott Nov 2014 #132

Facts are a fucking killer too bad you ignore them. Leontius Nov 2014 #41

So who has said that here? Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #81

well leontius said it. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #95

Well there you go case solved. Nothing to see here folks keep moving. Leontius Nov 2014 #98

Really. I guess ignorance is bliss as they say, willful or not. Leontius Nov 2014 #99

It's tempting to laugh at this, I know... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2014 #26

I agree that there is a history of harm and potential for harm here. cbayer Nov 2014 #35

And despite your claim to "draw the line at harm" skepticscott Nov 2014 #58

oh really? Previously you have supported the benefits such as "placebo effect". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #66

Ah, the Catholic Church. Full of shit as usual, with no clue as to how the universe works, or AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #59

You're going to get an ulcer. rug Nov 2014 #61

From what? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #62

Fulmination. rug Nov 2014 #63

You don't understand me at all. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #64

Catholic experts fear for their jobs, make shit up about 'occult activity' and spread fear muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #68

After reading this, I have to agree with your assessment here. cbayer Nov 2014 #78

Yeah, people got out of the habit of taking crazy people to doctors Warpy Nov 2014 #79

And even those that did often did not have coverage or had inadequate cbayer Nov 2014 #80

I hope your point isn't skepticscott Nov 2014 #93

Oh it's always amazing how an exorcism thread gets everyone's juices up here. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #87

What on earth posesses them to post the same stuff over and over? rug Nov 2014 #96

lol! it can be rather entertaining. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #97

Demons Leontius Nov 2014 #112

The tired repetition of humans taking the boogey man seriously. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #133

Oh, are exorcists the new bogeyman? rug Nov 2014 #135

No, but the field of 'expertise' they claim to be able to deal with, is. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #136

Actually I think this is an important article and not flame bait. cbayer Nov 2014 #100

Oh I agree the op is an honest poster. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #101

I agree about the OP but it was still cross-posted from A&A on trotsky's dare. rug Nov 2014 #102

Wow, just wow! I didn't know about the dare. cbayer Nov 2014 #103

I'm sure the suggestion wasn't made for the sake of a robust discussion. rug Nov 2014 #104

Lol! Thanks for the laugh. cbayer Nov 2014 #105

I agree. okasha Nov 2014 #106

Which is why your first response was "Oh, geez, really?". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #107

There is no 'legitimate' story about exorcism and the RCC. It's bullshit. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #134

The year is 2014. SamKnause Nov 2014 #141

The Middle Ages are alive and kicking. n/t bvf Nov 2014 #142