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cbayer

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9. It is totally separate from abortion, I agree.

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:38 PM

Nov 2014

This statement seems to go far beyond extraordinary measures.

It makes absolutely no reference to the quality of life and basically states that there is no degree of pain so great that it would merit euthanasia. We put animals out of their misery, but can't do it when it comes to humans?

It also appears to reject passive termination because it talks about withholding treatment.

What is society's interest when it comes to allowing or assisting a terminally ill person to die? Society certainly has an interest in drawing a very clear line at anything that smells even faintly of eugenics, but that is clearly rejected by advocates for euthanasia.

The list is not small, that is true. I just wish that the issues you bring up would even be considered and the position modified at least a little. It does seem very absolute with no wiggle room whatsoever.

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Pope denounces euthanasia as 'sin against God' [View all] cbayer Nov 2014 OP

A silver lining to this idiocy. . . Stargleamer Nov 2014 #1

Well is it a sin against God to allow someone to die of neglect? gordianot Nov 2014 #2

This also sickens me. cbayer Nov 2014 #4

He's restating a long-held position of the RCC. rug Nov 2014 #3

I realize that, but I wish he were calling for a rethinking of this. cbayer Nov 2014 #5

His remarks are more rhetoric than analysis but it's a topic worth discussing. rug Nov 2014 #7

It is totally separate from abortion, I agree. cbayer Nov 2014 #9

That's the trouble with statements that are all headline and no paragraphs. rug Nov 2014 #10

I would certainly hope that there would not be doctrine against palliative care or cbayer Nov 2014 #13

If there is a right to die, there is no need for medical ethics committees. rug Nov 2014 #14

Why would you say that? Of course there would, as one of many ways to protect patients... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #15

That's not the purpose of a medical ethics committe. rug Nov 2014 #17

Not clear on what you mean by that. cbayer Nov 2014 #21

I would say an absolute policy is fine, as long as you have mechanisms in place to reduce and... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #23

If it is a person's right to determine when, how, and under what circumstances he or she will die, rug Nov 2014 #34

I don't agree. cbayer Nov 2014 #35

And if the person is done with living a life with depression? rug Nov 2014 #36

I am familiar with the Rivers hearings and other cases about forced medications. cbayer Nov 2014 #45

Well, preventing a person from exercising a right to die is more severe than forcing treatment or rx rug Nov 2014 #46

People who are suicidal can be hospitalized against their will. cbayer Nov 2014 #47

The headline certainly is. rug Nov 2014 #48

Good point. As I said earlier, when this issue comes up in committees cbayer Nov 2014 #49

My mom, as a Catholic, found a personal compromise of sorts. pinto Nov 2014 #56

I am so sorry that you lost our mother in this way, but glad that cbayer Nov 2014 #57

Can you name a bioethic position of the RCC that liberals would label good? Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #16

No, I wouldn't. For two reasons. rug Nov 2014 #18

I'm sorry, but far too often, religious and ethical positions do become political, as is the case... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #19

Everything becomes political eventually. rug Nov 2014 #31

So the death penalty edhopper Nov 2014 #25

The death penalty is a political question. The penalty is imposed by the state. rug Nov 2014 #32

So what should be the basis of laws? edhopper Nov 2014 #37

That's a tougher question than it appears. rug Nov 2014 #38

But the consensus in this country edhopper Nov 2014 #42

Ethis, the notion of what is considered right, is not objective. rug Nov 2014 #44

but what do we base those arguments on? edhopper Nov 2014 #61

Values, transient values with which we are familiar. rug Nov 2014 #62

I suppose it does. edhopper Nov 2014 #63

Pope reiterates why he is an asshole and reiterates and reinforces RCC cruelty. Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #6

Not your opinion, for one thing. rug Nov 2014 #8

And thank goodness for that, I would hate to turn into an apologist for some of the... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #11

I'd hate to make up my mind, then nail the door shot. rug Nov 2014 #12

I'm sorry, while I'm not opposed to nuance, I cannot open my mind to the idea... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #20

That's a fair position and I don't disagree as far as that goes but there's more to it than that. rug Nov 2014 #33

Yes it is, and the Catholic Church pretty much refuses to acknowledge that... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #39

I don't see it as a sin. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #22

Agree. cbayer Nov 2014 #24

is it sin to prolong a dying patients life, too elehhhhna Nov 2014 #26

Mom had a DNR in a Catholic Hospital HockeyMom Nov 2014 #27

A DNR is a very different thing and I doubt that the Catholic Church cbayer Nov 2014 #29

Using the same papal logic.. nruthie Nov 2014 #28

That's a really interesting point. cbayer Nov 2014 #30

fuck you, pope pokerfan Nov 2014 #40

While safeguards are needed, I think the right to assisted suicide should exist for people with LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #41

I agree. This is an area where I think the church has the opportunity cbayer Nov 2014 #53

Not surprised to hear this from the leader of the grand death cult. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #43

I looked up grand death cult, and all the hits were for Grand Theft Auto. cbayer Nov 2014 #50

It's a dangerour thing. MosheFeingold Nov 2014 #51

Agree that there are serious risks, including possible eugenics. cbayer Nov 2014 #54

Your faith in humanity MosheFeingold Nov 2014 #59

I don't think everything gets screwed up and abused, but cbayer Nov 2014 #60

he'll come around. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #52

And yet he, like most of us, likely considers it a kindness to put down a dog Chemisse Nov 2014 #55

I agree. How can one condone putting down animals in order to save them cbayer Nov 2014 #58