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cbayer

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16. It's always stated whenever someone has developed religiously based delusions, imo.

Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:42 PM

Nov 2014

Particularly in this group.

It would be great if we could all recognize that serious, untreated psychiatric illness and/or substance abuse is a national disgrace and never use these cases to score points in the fight either for or against religion.

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Zealot nearly beheads friend he accused of witchcraft, rambles about magic and sacrifice to police [View all] muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 OP

Actually, noted intellectual theologians like Karen Armstrong and Reza Aslan tell us that... trotsky Nov 2014 #1

It is never about religion when these things happen. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #2

So Muriel, is this going to be another thread TM99 Nov 2014 #3

No. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #4

Sure looks like it TM99 Nov 2014 #15

Let's examine your question: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #17

I'm sure you just posted this three week old murder in the Religion Group in passing. rug Nov 2014 #19

Wait! You changed the headline to include the word zealot and you are accusing her cbayer Nov 2014 #22

Yes, I am accusing TM99 of having an agenda. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #24

Everyone has an agenda, not least of which is you. cbayer Nov 2014 #26

But that's not the point being made. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #40

"Muslim" wasn't even mentioned for 24 posts. rug Nov 2014 #41

It was used. It was in the headline of every single article that I have seen about this. cbayer Nov 2014 #42

Well Rug & CBayer pretty much TM99 Nov 2014 #23

Rug is on 'ignore'; cbayer showed nothing - just said I had an agenda. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #25

The usual bullshit. TM99 Nov 2014 #30

No, I did not say "religion = mental illness" then, or at any time muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #31

My premise is not a load of bollocks. TM99 Nov 2014 #34

I posted it because I read about the case this morning muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #43

OK, let's chat then. TM99 Nov 2014 #44

I didn't post that link because I didn't want to discuss separation of church and state muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #45

There is just not the data to support your supposition here. cbayer Nov 2014 #46

As we have established, time and again, 'delusion' has a non-psychiatric meaning muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #48

So does short term memory, but you found it reprehensible. cbayer Nov 2014 #50

Why are you asking that again? I explicitly answered that muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #55

I'm neither making up crap nor making stupid accusations. cbayer Nov 2014 #57

"When you get to baseless personal attacks" - you got there a long time ago muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #58

This is rich. TM99 Nov 2014 #56

You're making up bullshit about me too; that, too, has been your purpose from the beginning muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #59

Your insults aside, I am TM99 Nov 2014 #60

What is wrong with Mental illness? Lordquinton Nov 2014 #66

Please tell me exactly what you saw in my post that would cbayer Nov 2014 #67

because every time the mere mention that religious worship Lordquinton Nov 2014 #72

It's the DSM and religious worship doesn't technically fall under cbayer Nov 2014 #73

You are communicating in bad faith. TM99 Nov 2014 #47

The thread about the Muslim man and his delusions? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #49

Earlier we cited dozens of prof. Psychiatric articles that suggested Religion is not incidental but Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #68

Perhaps you can make an argument without accusing people of having dementia. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #32

In keeping with the hypocrisy theme, rug Nov 2014 #33

Would you like it to be? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #5

Do you even have to ask? n/t bvf Nov 2014 #13

It is nothing but that. cbayer Nov 2014 #7

Mental illness doesn't cause violence phil89 Nov 2014 #52

Mentally ill individuals TM99 Nov 2014 #54

How do you know that religious beliefs were not a factor? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #64

Why don't you ask him to explain what he actually said? rug Nov 2014 #65

So belief in miracles is not a delusion? Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #69

OMG! A Daily News piece about how a victim of our disastrous mental health system cbayer Nov 2014 #6

Yes they would edhopper Nov 2014 #8

Who is they? Who in these articles is blaming religion? cbayer Nov 2014 #11

Thee buffalo story edhopper Nov 2014 #14

It's always stated whenever someone has developed religiously based delusions, imo. cbayer Nov 2014 #16

See, that's what's wrong. trotsky Nov 2014 #27

Yes, I do think that if he'd been a Muslim, the near-beheading would have been tied to it muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #9

Look at the links put up by edhopper above. cbayer Nov 2014 #12

I'm saying this Christian got a pass, even when he rambled about magic and sacrifice muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #20

Everyone who commits a heinous crime due to untreated psychiatric illness cbayer Nov 2014 #21

hmmm... but you have assumed the conclusion there. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #28

Well, Warren, clearly there is one thing we all CAN know. trotsky Nov 2014 #29

Do you know how many psychotropics he's recived in the three weeks since this article was printed? rug Nov 2014 #10

But he can be used to score points! I doesn't matter that he is a victim cbayer Nov 2014 #18

So you think mental illness causes violence? phil89 Nov 2014 #53

From your post I'd say reading ability more likely effects comprehension. rug Nov 2014 #61

... Police said Marin admitted to the murder. He had a number of reasons for it, but police struggle4progress Nov 2014 #35

... The first 911 calls Wednesday came in at 2:46 p.m., one of which was Marin. struggle4progress Nov 2014 #36

... Isaiah Marin has a troubled past. According to a blog written by his own brother struggle4progress Nov 2014 #37

... Marin-Eason said since her son was murdered, she has no sympathy for her grandson. struggle4progress Nov 2014 #38

... According to Stillwater police, at this time they have found no evidence struggle4progress Nov 2014 #39

Ive met some pretty nasty, evil, backstabing "christians" in my life darkangel218 Nov 2014 #51

"Marin ... is charged with first-degree murder, and is being held without bail at the Payne Count" struggle4progress Nov 2014 #62

Did you even read this article? cbayer Nov 2014 #63

Christianity has been made above the law in Christian nations. Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #70

Here is what you said: darkangel218 Nov 2014 #74

You're not the first person to make inaccurate assumptions about me because you cbayer Nov 2014 #75

You just can't let go of personal attacks, can you? darkangel218 Nov 2014 #77

Yes, I believe, based on what I have read from you that you are hostile towards religion. cbayer Nov 2014 #78

"There is nothing personal about it"? darkangel218 Nov 2014 #79

Something certainly upsets you about that word hostile. cbayer Nov 2014 #80

No, im not anti religious, im anti fundamentalist religion. darkangel218 Nov 2014 #81

If you would make the distinction instead of using a broad brush, I think cbayer Nov 2014 #82

Why is Christianity said to be responsble when it causes good things - but never bad things? Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #71

Neither, it's because he's clearly cuckoo Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #76