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Prophet 451

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35. That's the problem with the evidence

Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:23 PM

Nov 2014

Those of us who believe feel the presence of our deity when we pray. But this gnosis is inherently and completely personal. And so, by definition, cannot be shared with anyone else and would be meaningless if it was. My personal belief system is that god is a capricious and sadistic prick. Which is why I worship Father Lucifer, whose presence I feel when I pray. But, by definition, that experience cannot be shared with others.

I suspect this is the main cause of theist/atheist argument.

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The difficulties of cross cultural communication. [View all] stone space Nov 2014 OP

Actually, communication isn't that hard except for some at the fringes. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #1

Well, I've noticed that amoung some folks who call themselves atheists, ... stone space Nov 2014 #2

Maybe there was something about the way it came across on video... NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #3

If you see a Thanksgiving Day post here titled "Thanking Jesus", ... stone space Nov 2014 #31

No, that's not it at all. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author stone space Nov 2014 #22

Not sure why it's free where you are. It isn't here. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #23

sorry...wrong thread (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #39

uh-huh AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #41

Take this gun crap out of the religion fourm. Leontius Nov 2014 #34

As long as your are blustering around here telling people "you're no atheist" Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #4

Thank you for your input. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #5

Cute gimmick bvf Nov 2014 #13

Holy shit. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #15

The aunt would of course be reffering to the boy. edhopper Nov 2014 #6

Logic tells me that a double negative "cancels". stone space Nov 2014 #7

Do you really think anybody wouldn't understand exactly what the aunt meant? edhopper Nov 2014 #8

I think that you can't understand what gun victims say. stone space Nov 2014 #9

Could you point mine out edhopper Nov 2014 #11

Your what? (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #16

You are adorable. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #18

Could you explain what "double negative" edhopper Nov 2014 #19

I'll pass on the double negative thingie. stone space Nov 2014 #28

Okay edhopper Nov 2014 #32

The post in question is pointing out that how you approach a text influences you're interpretation. Igel Nov 2014 #77

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this cbayer Nov 2014 #80

We really don't have any idea what the aunt meant edhopper Nov 2014 #92

I am going to help out here. cbayer Nov 2014 #48

I see edhopper Nov 2014 #52

I can't speak for him, but I think his point is cbayer Nov 2014 #53

Did I say that edhopper Nov 2014 #54

Oh, so saying that someone says something that you consider stupid cbayer Nov 2014 #55

You are infuriated at edhopper Nov 2014 #56

Now you are telling me what I feel as well. cbayer Nov 2014 #58

Sure you didn't edhopper Nov 2014 #59

I am telling you that I think you are wrong. cbayer Nov 2014 #60

That wouldn't be due to "cross-cultural incompetence" bvf Nov 2014 #25

Are you saying that the idea of what 'God' is thought to be like is being miscommunicated? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #49

I'm saying that the answer is obvious... stone space Nov 2014 #50

So why did you start this sub-thread about double negatives and miscommunication? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #51

Pointing out illogic is not bashing Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #10

What if the condescension isn't sneering edhopper Nov 2014 #12

That's not the problem Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #24

Okay edhopper Nov 2014 #30

I'm obviously not explaing myself well Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #37

I'll try it this way edhopper Nov 2014 #45

OK, let me try it again Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #73

Okay edhopper Nov 2014 #74

Fair point Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #75

If you want to see the difference, I suggest... stone space Nov 2014 #81

This was about interactions within this forum. edhopper Nov 2014 #84

Why do you think so many insulted the gun victim so severely? (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #85

I don't see that they did edhopper Nov 2014 #86

There are many folks here... stone space Nov 2014 #88

On the other hand edhopper Nov 2014 #89

The same folks who think... stone space Nov 2014 #91

I am still not sure what the point of this thread was edhopper Nov 2014 #93

Who "think(s) that the Aunt in the OP insulted herself as the sister"? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #95

Interesting. bvf Nov 2014 #33

I'm not explaining myself well Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Cartoonist Nov 2014 #38

This is a common refrain with which I take issue. cbayer Nov 2014 #43

What do you think of this woman edhopper Nov 2014 #44

I could not care less whether they call something a divine miracle. cbayer Nov 2014 #46

I think the Aunt was glad to see her Nephew alive. stone space Nov 2014 #47

Do you actually think edhopper Nov 2014 #57

Who is we? You don't speak for anyone but yourself. cbayer Nov 2014 #61

They mean exactly what they say edhopper Nov 2014 #62

You are interpreting a language you don't understand. cbayer Nov 2014 #63

What don't i understand about thier language? edhopper Nov 2014 #64

When you are not part of a group that speaks a certain language, cbayer Nov 2014 #65

Not how I see it. edhopper Nov 2014 #66

Oh, don't say fail. It's so judgmental and takes the position that you are cbayer Nov 2014 #67

I removed "fail" edhopper Nov 2014 #68

Agree. See you next time. cbayer Nov 2014 #69

By a guy who was nearly killed. stone space Nov 2014 #71

Well edhopper Nov 2014 #78

If a Christian says "Bless you"... stone space Nov 2014 #79

Like I said edhopper Nov 2014 #82

How do you feel about the extreme hatred expressed... stone space Nov 2014 #83

Extreme hatred is your interpretation edhopper Nov 2014 #87

Those "logical conclusions" involved a merging... stone space Nov 2014 #90

If you exchange opinion or thoughts edhopper Nov 2014 #94

It's very simple. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #14

Or why we would edhopper Nov 2014 #20

Honestly, I think he's fishing for someone to lose their temper at this point. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #21

There is an easy solution to this Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #26

That is a possibility, however AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #29

That's the problem with the evidence Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #35

I'll disagree with you a bit here. trotsky Nov 2014 #42

Yes, that's better n/t Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #72

l feel a song coming on . . . bvf Nov 2014 #40

The aunt was referring to the boy's survival Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #27

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The aunt was a Tea Partier, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #76