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Brettongarcia

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71. Why is Christianity said to be responsble when it causes good things - but never bad things?

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:23 PM

Nov 2014

The whole basic premise of Christianity is partially this: that you can learn it, and it changes your behavior.

Why is this basic premise of Christianity, its CAUSAL EFFICACY, suddenly abandoned, when it turns out that behavior is bad?

You can't maintain Christianity at all, if you reject the notion that it causes things.

YOu can't hold the idea Christianity effects anything, and causes good, and still reject out of hand the thesis that it causes bad things.

Therefore, we need to consider the thesis that Christianity could cause delusions.

By all accounts, it changes behavior. If you abandon that general premise, you have abandoned Christianity. And you therefore should not be defending it.

Christianity causes things to happen.

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Zealot nearly beheads friend he accused of witchcraft, rambles about magic and sacrifice to police [View all] muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 OP

Actually, noted intellectual theologians like Karen Armstrong and Reza Aslan tell us that... trotsky Nov 2014 #1

It is never about religion when these things happen. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #2

So Muriel, is this going to be another thread TM99 Nov 2014 #3

No. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #4

Sure looks like it TM99 Nov 2014 #15

Let's examine your question: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #17

I'm sure you just posted this three week old murder in the Religion Group in passing. rug Nov 2014 #19

Wait! You changed the headline to include the word zealot and you are accusing her cbayer Nov 2014 #22

Yes, I am accusing TM99 of having an agenda. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #24

Everyone has an agenda, not least of which is you. cbayer Nov 2014 #26

But that's not the point being made. Goblinmonger Nov 2014 #40

"Muslim" wasn't even mentioned for 24 posts. rug Nov 2014 #41

It was used. It was in the headline of every single article that I have seen about this. cbayer Nov 2014 #42

Well Rug & CBayer pretty much TM99 Nov 2014 #23

Rug is on 'ignore'; cbayer showed nothing - just said I had an agenda. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #25

The usual bullshit. TM99 Nov 2014 #30

No, I did not say "religion = mental illness" then, or at any time muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #31

My premise is not a load of bollocks. TM99 Nov 2014 #34

I posted it because I read about the case this morning muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #43

OK, let's chat then. TM99 Nov 2014 #44

I didn't post that link because I didn't want to discuss separation of church and state muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #45

There is just not the data to support your supposition here. cbayer Nov 2014 #46

As we have established, time and again, 'delusion' has a non-psychiatric meaning muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #48

So does short term memory, but you found it reprehensible. cbayer Nov 2014 #50

Why are you asking that again? I explicitly answered that muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #55

I'm neither making up crap nor making stupid accusations. cbayer Nov 2014 #57

"When you get to baseless personal attacks" - you got there a long time ago muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #58

This is rich. TM99 Nov 2014 #56

You're making up bullshit about me too; that, too, has been your purpose from the beginning muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #59

Your insults aside, I am TM99 Nov 2014 #60

What is wrong with Mental illness? Lordquinton Nov 2014 #66

Please tell me exactly what you saw in my post that would cbayer Nov 2014 #67

because every time the mere mention that religious worship Lordquinton Nov 2014 #72

It's the DSM and religious worship doesn't technically fall under cbayer Nov 2014 #73

You are communicating in bad faith. TM99 Nov 2014 #47

The thread about the Muslim man and his delusions? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #49

Earlier we cited dozens of prof. Psychiatric articles that suggested Religion is not incidental but Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #68

Perhaps you can make an argument without accusing people of having dementia. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #32

In keeping with the hypocrisy theme, rug Nov 2014 #33

Would you like it to be? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #5

Do you even have to ask? n/t bvf Nov 2014 #13

It is nothing but that. cbayer Nov 2014 #7

Mental illness doesn't cause violence phil89 Nov 2014 #52

Mentally ill individuals TM99 Nov 2014 #54

How do you know that religious beliefs were not a factor? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #64

Why don't you ask him to explain what he actually said? rug Nov 2014 #65

So belief in miracles is not a delusion? Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #69

OMG! A Daily News piece about how a victim of our disastrous mental health system cbayer Nov 2014 #6

Yes they would edhopper Nov 2014 #8

Who is they? Who in these articles is blaming religion? cbayer Nov 2014 #11

Thee buffalo story edhopper Nov 2014 #14

It's always stated whenever someone has developed religiously based delusions, imo. cbayer Nov 2014 #16

See, that's what's wrong. trotsky Nov 2014 #27

Yes, I do think that if he'd been a Muslim, the near-beheading would have been tied to it muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #9

Look at the links put up by edhopper above. cbayer Nov 2014 #12

I'm saying this Christian got a pass, even when he rambled about magic and sacrifice muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #20

Everyone who commits a heinous crime due to untreated psychiatric illness cbayer Nov 2014 #21

hmmm... but you have assumed the conclusion there. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #28

Well, Warren, clearly there is one thing we all CAN know. trotsky Nov 2014 #29

Do you know how many psychotropics he's recived in the three weeks since this article was printed? rug Nov 2014 #10

But he can be used to score points! I doesn't matter that he is a victim cbayer Nov 2014 #18

So you think mental illness causes violence? phil89 Nov 2014 #53

From your post I'd say reading ability more likely effects comprehension. rug Nov 2014 #61

... Police said Marin admitted to the murder. He had a number of reasons for it, but police struggle4progress Nov 2014 #35

... The first 911 calls Wednesday came in at 2:46 p.m., one of which was Marin. struggle4progress Nov 2014 #36

... Isaiah Marin has a troubled past. According to a blog written by his own brother struggle4progress Nov 2014 #37

... Marin-Eason said since her son was murdered, she has no sympathy for her grandson. struggle4progress Nov 2014 #38

... According to Stillwater police, at this time they have found no evidence struggle4progress Nov 2014 #39

Ive met some pretty nasty, evil, backstabing "christians" in my life darkangel218 Nov 2014 #51

"Marin ... is charged with first-degree murder, and is being held without bail at the Payne Count" struggle4progress Nov 2014 #62

Did you even read this article? cbayer Nov 2014 #63

Christianity has been made above the law in Christian nations. Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #70

Here is what you said: darkangel218 Nov 2014 #74

You're not the first person to make inaccurate assumptions about me because you cbayer Nov 2014 #75

You just can't let go of personal attacks, can you? darkangel218 Nov 2014 #77

Yes, I believe, based on what I have read from you that you are hostile towards religion. cbayer Nov 2014 #78

"There is nothing personal about it"? darkangel218 Nov 2014 #79

Something certainly upsets you about that word hostile. cbayer Nov 2014 #80

No, im not anti religious, im anti fundamentalist religion. darkangel218 Nov 2014 #81

If you would make the distinction instead of using a broad brush, I think cbayer Nov 2014 #82

Why is Christianity said to be responsble when it causes good things - but never bad things? Brettongarcia Nov 2014 #71

Neither, it's because he's clearly cuckoo Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #76