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One problem I have with a belief in an afterlife. If someone believes there is an afterlife, and [View all] raccoon Nov 2014 OP

I don't get why this is a problem. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #1

I don't personally feel that suicide is "wrong" all the time. But I'm saying that a belief in an raccoon Nov 2014 #79

Some of that depends on one's conception of afterlife GreatGazoo Nov 2014 #2

That may be one of the reasons whathehell Nov 2014 #3

I am not so certain that Catholics actually had a lower suicide SheilaT Nov 2014 #27

I'm not sure how suicide rates could be covered-up. cbayer Nov 2014 #33

I know of two "accidental" deaths exboyfil Nov 2014 #101

Agree that sometimes it is not clear. cbayer Nov 2014 #103

Of course you're not.. whathehell Nov 2014 #34

Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see the data you mention in this link. cbayer Nov 2014 #35

I gave two links, but here's a third and it's from 2014.. whathehell Nov 2014 #36

This study looks pretty good, but it is confined to Switzerland. cbayer Nov 2014 #46

This one's not.. whathehell Nov 2014 #72

I did do my own research. cbayer Nov 2014 #73

That's nice.. whathehell Nov 2014 #77

All you have to do is ask. cbayer Nov 2014 #78

Your cited study should put some of the OP's concerns to rest. Jim__ Nov 2014 #95

The data in this particular study would support your guess. cbayer Nov 2014 #98

"lifetime suicide attempters"? Android3.14 Nov 2014 #105

I'm simply pointing out that SheilaT Nov 2014 #43

As I believe I mentioned, the Catholic church has softened its stand on suicide, so whathehell Nov 2014 #84

I knew people who committed suicide, but the official story SheilaT Nov 2014 #85

You might want to consider that your experiences were not universal whathehell Nov 2014 #86

I can only tell you that growing up Catholic SheilaT Nov 2014 #88

I grew up Catholic in the same time period whathehell Nov 2014 #89

Interesting difference between our two experiences. SheilaT Nov 2014 #90

Yes. whathehell Nov 2014 #96

I had a Near Death experience (keep yer Woo! derision to yerself, anyone who is inclined to djean111 Nov 2014 #4

+++++infinity nt newfie11 Nov 2014 #5

I guess the point isn't whether or not people have NDE's Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #6

Irrelevant to the matter at hand - just pointing out that some people who believe in some djean111 Nov 2014 #7

An actual NDE with some of the attributes you described has significant implications for AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #8

Where I am coming from - I have no need to convince anyone else about my NDE. :-) djean111 Nov 2014 #9

Some people will interpret what you are offering as a comment, as a challenge. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #12

Actually, I am not asking that ANYONE believe me, I am just saying that those who djean111 Nov 2014 #38

Where can I find more data on that? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #40

Why would anybody take it as a challenge? stone space Nov 2014 #48

It's a claim that some condition, some thing exists. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #56

I guess that I don't find folks relating... stone space Nov 2014 #60

Oh, I live in a constant state of dissapointment. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #62

I've already ingested two pots of coffee this morning. stone space Nov 2014 #64

Entirely possible, depending on the size of your coffee pot. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #65

You should see some of the claims that I make... stone space Nov 2014 #67

Indeed. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #68

Wait, you are an atheist who believes in an afterlife? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #21

No Jesus, no crowd of virgins, no streets of gold, no religious trappings, no trappings at all. djean111 Nov 2014 #42

where exactly is this place? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #45

Behind Jupiter and a little to the left. djean111 Nov 2014 #49

got it. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #50

Oh, it is a serious belief. djean111 Nov 2014 #57

Oh those darned atheists. Really something should be done about them. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #58

Oh, I just pretty much avoid discussions with other atheists. No big deal. djean111 Nov 2014 #59

Well, to be fair, that group does not represent... stone space Nov 2014 #66

yes you have made your majority of atheists opinions very clear. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #74

Source for that claim? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #81

Have you seen any atheists act like that in real life? stone space Nov 2014 #82

I assure you, I am alive. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #91

Why do you declare that no one is allowed to comment critically on your post? trotsky Nov 2014 #14

Why would you need to respond critically on his/her post? This was his/her 1monster Nov 2014 #19

Well perhaps because the poster demanded that nobody do that. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #20

Actualy the poster did no such thing. S/he said it would be irrelevant. rug Nov 2014 #23

Thank you. whathehell Nov 2014 #37

Lucky you - you belong to a very special group PumpkinAle Nov 2014 #106

My problem with with a belief in an afterlife Cartoonist Nov 2014 #10

Maybe you'll just have to settle for hearing it. rug Nov 2014 #11

Yes.. whathehell Nov 2014 #39

But will you be ready to say sorry if you are wrong? cbayer Nov 2014 #17

I told my cousin I would buy margaritas Rainforestgoddess Nov 2014 #44

Lol! Like pretty much the rest of my life, I'm not betting on anything. cbayer Nov 2014 #47

I will have to have a booth :) nt Rainforestgoddess Nov 2014 #52

I will help you. I make a mean margarita and have the best lime squeezer ever. cbayer Nov 2014 #63

Estilo Cadillac, por favor. okasha Nov 2014 #107

This bet is getting tricky. Rainforestgoddess Nov 2014 #108

Yep. okasha Nov 2014 #109

Tell your cousin to buy you a margarita now. stone space Nov 2014 #53

He will probably want to deliver it Rainforestgoddess Nov 2014 #54

Both death itself, and a belief in the afterlife, underscore the uniqueness of a life. rug Nov 2014 #13

I had a sister who was a noisy and ardent believer in a Christian afterlife. JayhawkSD Nov 2014 #15

Thomas � Kempis wrote "The Imitation of Christ", one of the most popular books of the Middle Ages. rug Nov 2014 #18

I recently had a customer whose father was dying... Frustratedlady Nov 2014 #29

I have long found it puzzling that SheilaT Nov 2014 #30

There is really no data that I am aware of to substantiate this. cbayer Nov 2014 #31

Idon't have data, I doubt anyone really has. SheilaT Nov 2014 #93

And I have noticed something entirely different, so we may just cancel cbayer Nov 2014 #97

The thing that bothers me about the idea of an afterlife, is all the baggage that comes along with. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #92

I don't see it as a set of rules for how to behave. SheilaT Nov 2014 #94

Most organized religions do. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #99

While I am not an atheist myself, SheilaT Nov 2014 #100

I think this is one of the reasons that many religions have prohibitions cbayer Nov 2014 #16

No, I think that is merely an extension of the overall con game... truebrit71 Nov 2014 #22

You think it's a con game. Don't get involved. cbayer Nov 2014 #24

Oh, believe me, i'm not involved in the con anymore... truebrit71 Nov 2014 #25

That's cool. Everyone finds their own path. cbayer Nov 2014 #26

And yet others see it differently and it is a major negative force in their life. trotsky Nov 2014 #32

The best detailed account of the afterlife Cartoonist Nov 2014 #28

Except that his was a work of fiction... whathehell Nov 2014 #41

what do you think NDEs are evidence of? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #51

Experience. whathehell Nov 2014 #69

yes they are evidence of an experience Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #75

Depending on which religion you subscribe to, a suicide would be considered a mortal sin still_one Nov 2014 #55

Death, even voluntary death, looks scary to people who are young and/or healthy Warpy Nov 2014 #61

Frankly, when my husband died and other love ones who went before him, Cleita Nov 2014 #70

I think you make a lot of sense. cbayer Nov 2014 #71

A lot of sense. rug Nov 2014 #76

Yes. nt raccoon Nov 2014 #80

Well to answer your questions if there is no afterlife then you are just gone and that is it. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #87

That's why most religions forbid suicide Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #102

IMHO, suicide is always the result of an illness. cbayer Nov 2014 #104