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Let’s Stop Calling New Atheism, “Atheism,” and Start Calling it What it is: Anti-Theism [View all]
Like religious fundamentalism, New Atheism is primarily a reactionary phenomenon, one that responds to religion with the same venomous ire with which religious fundamentalists respond to atheism. What one finds in the writings of anti-theist ideologues like Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens is the same sense of utter certainty, the same claim to a monopoly on truth, the same close-mindedness that views ones own position as unequivocally good and ones opponents views as not just wrong but irrational and even stupid, the same intolerance for alternative explanations, the same rabid adherents (as anyone who has dared criticize Dawkins or Harris on social media can attest), and, most shockingly, the same proselytizing fervor that one sees in any fundamentalist community (Reza Aslan ).November 23, 2014
by Frank Schaeffer
Why Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and the New Atheists Arent Really Atheists
By Reza Aslan (First published in by Salon republished here by permission)
Not long ago, I gave an interview in which I said that my biggest problem with so-called New Atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins is that they give atheism a bad name. Almost immediately, I was bombarded on social media by atheist fans of the two men who were incensed that I would pontificate about a community to which I did not belong.
That, in and of itself, wasnt surprising. As a scholar of religions, Im used to receiving comments like this from the communities I study. What surprised me is how many of these comments appeared to take for granted that in criticizing New Atheism I was criticizing atheism itself, as though the two are one and the same. That seems an increasingly common mistake these days, with the media and the bestseller lists dominated by New Atheist voices denouncing religion as innately backward, obscurantist, irrational and dangerous, and condemning those who disagree as religious apologists.
To be sure, there is plenty to criticize in any religion and no ideology religious or otherwise should be immune from criticism. But when Richard Dawkins describes religion as one of the worlds great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus, or when Sam Harris proudly declares, If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion, it should be perfectly obvious to all that these men do not speak for the majority of atheists. On the contrary, polls show that only a small fraction of atheists in the U.S. share such extreme opposition to religious faith.
In fact, not only is the New Atheism not representative of atheism. It isnt even mere atheism (and it certainly is not new). What Harris, Dawkins and their ilk are preaching is a polemic that has been around since the 18th century one properly termed, anti-theism.
By Reza Aslan (First published in by Salon republished here by permission)
Not long ago, I gave an interview in which I said that my biggest problem with so-called New Atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins is that they give atheism a bad name. Almost immediately, I was bombarded on social media by atheist fans of the two men who were incensed that I would pontificate about a community to which I did not belong.
That, in and of itself, wasnt surprising. As a scholar of religions, Im used to receiving comments like this from the communities I study. What surprised me is how many of these comments appeared to take for granted that in criticizing New Atheism I was criticizing atheism itself, as though the two are one and the same. That seems an increasingly common mistake these days, with the media and the bestseller lists dominated by New Atheist voices denouncing religion as innately backward, obscurantist, irrational and dangerous, and condemning those who disagree as religious apologists.
To be sure, there is plenty to criticize in any religion and no ideology religious or otherwise should be immune from criticism. But when Richard Dawkins describes religion as one of the worlds great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus, or when Sam Harris proudly declares, If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion, it should be perfectly obvious to all that these men do not speak for the majority of atheists. On the contrary, polls show that only a small fraction of atheists in the U.S. share such extreme opposition to religious faith.
In fact, not only is the New Atheism not representative of atheism. It isnt even mere atheism (and it certainly is not new). What Harris, Dawkins and their ilk are preaching is a polemic that has been around since the 18th century one properly termed, anti-theism.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2014/11/lets-stop-calling-new-atheism-atheism-and-start-calling-it-what-it-is-anti-theism/#ixzz3Juwj6mLt
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Let’s Stop Calling New Atheism, “Atheism,” and Start Calling it What it is: Anti-Theism [View all]
rug
Nov 2014
OP
Frankly, very little new on the nonexistence of god(s) has been written since Epicurus.
rug
Nov 2014
#3
I'm going to say this knowing you'll almost certainly misinterpret my words
Fumesucker
Nov 2014
#194
This militant atheist prefers to rant and rail against the Gods of Metal...
stone space
Nov 2014
#24
I don't call myself an atheist because there are different definitions of God. I definitely don't
rhett o rick
Nov 2014
#71
I've been an atheist my entire life. I'm an anti-theist because I'm sick to death of religious
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2014
#22
This is the fucker who lied about being an atheist, wrote a book disparaging them, and
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#9
The title of his book is "Why I'm an atheist who believes in God"....
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#11
Sorry, I do have them confused, my bad, Schaeffer is still an asshole...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#14
In general yes, depending on the sect, they either worship a great dictator in the sky...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#18
Yes, and that's why Jesus introduced the concept of hell, such a nice guy.
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#25
That's interesting, so you changed your religion to make it more acceptable to your...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#31
I don't care whether we agree if there is a god or not, I just find it amusing...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#39
Oh what, so you believe in annihilation instead? That's so much better!
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#54
True, and frankly it just confirmed why I believe Christianity to be, at best, an amoral...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#56
See, but here's the difference, I show a disgust towards a belief you have about other people...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#65
See, this is the disconnect, I put people first, I'm a humanist, so that's how I view things...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#68
Why the revulsion. Christianity is just a series of ideas and beliefs...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#89
True, but at least I don't think I would be spared that because I'm a Christian or something.
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#87
I don't believe in an afterlife, that is true, but that applies to everyone...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#189
And what of free will, in this supposed inevitable universalist afterlife?
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2014
#40
Well that's just not true, just look in the Bible for examples of that...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#88
okasha changes the meanings of words to suit her argument, it renders her arguments meaningless...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#111
Well, in this case, UU itself declines to define sin for the most part.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2014
#116
No, okasha claimed that to sin is to harm others in "all cultures she's aware of" this is false.
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#140
So can a subject of the crown. Free will doesn't imply no consequences.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2014
#37
You would be surprised, there are significant fractions of Christians and Muslims...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#23
This is just a reflection of your unfortunate experience with theists, Jamastiene.
cbayer
Nov 2014
#131
If I understand you, one of your reasons is you're ashamed of what the RCC has done.
rug
Nov 2014
#48
How about my religious views or lack of views are my buisness and have nothing to do with you.
gordianot
Nov 2014
#33
I think you miss the critical point that these particular people don't completely
cbayer
Nov 2014
#150
Now if football fans would just stop trying to use law to force me to act like a fan too
Fumesucker
Nov 2014
#182
I find amusing that in this circlejerk, no one has pointed out that it wasn't
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#93
Oh, I'm not defending him, Sam Harris is an asshole in many different ways, this just being one...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2014
#105
+1,000, including for your faith that one day one of these posters may open their minds n/t
zazen
Nov 2014
#154