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cbayer

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95. What evidence has been presented that there is no god?

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 07:15 PM

Nov 2014

There may be evidence that certain events or specific things aren't due to god, but evidence that there is no god? I don't think so.

Lots of people are able to see both the good and bad in religion. I would even venture a guess that most people see it. I think most people also see that atheists are ok, too. So, I don't' think there is any justification for being an anti-theist or an anti-atheist.

Now, if you want to fight the bad in religion, I'm right there with you.

I am also against anything that shuts down the testing and questioning process, including those that make definitive statements like "God is a delusion" or "Religion is a disease".

It is indeed not a bad thing to be intolerant of those who turn fundamental beliefs which have no basis in fact into a virtue - be they theists or anti-theists.

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Let’s Stop Calling New Atheism, “Atheism,” and Start Calling it What it is: Anti-Theism [View all] rug Nov 2014 OP

I don't like the term "new atheists" because it's not new. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #1

Frankly, very little new on the nonexistence of god(s) has been written since Epicurus. rug Nov 2014 #3

The difference is wickerwoman Nov 2014 #2

Anti-theism is neither the natural nor logical consequence of atheism. rug Nov 2014 #4

What evidence has been presented that there is no god? cbayer Nov 2014 #95

There is plenty of evidence that God as concieved by the major religions wickerwoman Nov 2014 #124

Please, please share with me all that evidence that god does not exist. cbayer Nov 2014 #130

As I said in my last post, wickerwoman Nov 2014 #142

So, the bottom line is that you don't really have the evidence that cbayer Nov 2014 #147

I think there's a distinction between evidence and conclusive evidence. wickerwoman Nov 2014 #168

That distinction is highly questionable, but I see that you cbayer Nov 2014 #169

No, it's based on the definition of the word evidence. wickerwoman Nov 2014 #171

I guess if you use it as something that simply supports an assertion cbayer Nov 2014 #172

Let's look at two assertions: wickerwoman Nov 2014 #174

Well of course those two assertions are completely different, but that is cbayer Nov 2014 #175

Look, wickerwoman Nov 2014 #177

OK, you're call. cbayer Nov 2014 #178

Plenty of people are against atheists "just because" Fumesucker Nov 2014 #180

And plenty of people are against muslims "just because" cbayer Nov 2014 #186

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Fumesucker Nov 2014 #187

I'm not assuming you hate theists. Where in my post did you pull that from? cbayer Nov 2014 #188

I'm going to say this knowing you'll almost certainly misinterpret my words Fumesucker Nov 2014 #194

I think I understand what you say, and I don't think it is unique to theists. cbayer Nov 2014 #195

I prove negatives all the time. stone space Nov 2014 #158

If Science and Technology has shown us anything, it is that... stone space Nov 2014 #173

Plate Tectonics Lordquinton Nov 2014 #143

How does plate tectonics and evolution prove there is no god? cbayer Nov 2014 #148

Two points of knowledge that changes the way... stone space Nov 2014 #166

That's fine edhopper Nov 2014 #5

Some atheists have always been militant. rogerashton Nov 2014 #6

And many, I suspect the majority, have not. rug Nov 2014 #8

This militant atheist prefers to rant and rail against the Gods of Metal... stone space Nov 2014 #24

+1000. okasha Nov 2014 #32

So you think edhopper Nov 2014 #38

Of course we can. But sometimes, instead... stone space Nov 2014 #167

They feel the need largely because they have been taught to feel that need Fumesucker Nov 2014 #181

Maybe it's the bullets. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #184

As I said, against organized falsehood. rogerashton Nov 2014 #58

I don't call myself an atheist because there are different definitions of God. I definitely don't rhett o rick Nov 2014 #71

Old School atheist here. stone space Nov 2014 #7

I've been an atheist my entire life. I'm an anti-theist because I'm sick to death of religious AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #22

This is the fucker who lied about being an atheist, wrote a book disparaging them, and Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #9

He said he was an atheist? Got a link? rug Nov 2014 #10

The title of his book is "Why I'm an atheist who believes in God".... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #11

Oh, you're talking about Schaeffer. Aslan wrote the article. rug Nov 2014 #12

Sorry, I do have them confused, my bad, Schaeffer is still an asshole... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #14

Proud Anti-theist here ... Trajan Nov 2014 #13

theists are against freedom? hrmjustin Nov 2014 #17

In general yes, depending on the sect, they either worship a great dictator in the sky... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #18

lmfao! hrmjustin Nov 2014 #19

You must not know many theists. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #20

We have free will and can make our own choices. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #21

Yes, and that's why Jesus introduced the concept of hell, such a nice guy. Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #25

Well I don't believe in hell so I feel very free. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #27

That's interesting, so you changed your religion to make it more acceptable to your... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #31

My religion is based on the Anglican three legged stool. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #34

I don't care whether we agree if there is a god or not, I just find it amusing... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #39

I think are are all sinners. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #43

Oh what, so you believe in annihilation instead? That's so much better! Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #54

You asked. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #55

True, and frankly it just confirmed why I believe Christianity to be, at best, an amoral... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #56

And I find that opinion equally.. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #60

See, but here's the difference, I show a disgust towards a belief you have about other people... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #65

So? hrmjustin Nov 2014 #66

See, this is the disconnect, I put people first, I'm a humanist, so that's how I view things... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #68

No, no, no! hrmjustin Nov 2014 #70

Why the revulsion. Christianity is just a series of ideas and beliefs... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #89

You made the point it is amoral i believe. i find that repulsive. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #94

Amoral is not the same as immoral... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #96

It seems to me you believe in annihilation. rug Nov 2014 #81

True, but at least I don't think I would be spared that because I'm a Christian or something. Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #87

Isn't nonexistence Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #185

I don't believe in an afterlife, that is true, but that applies to everyone... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #189

That's fair enough Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #190

Disbelief in hell, okasha Nov 2014 #36

And what of free will, in this supposed inevitable universalist afterlife? AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #40

And you would choose to harm someone okasha Nov 2014 #44

When the fuck did sin equal harming someone? Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #52

In all cultures I'm aware of, okasha Nov 2014 #77

Well that's just not true, just look in the Bible for examples of that... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #88

Eh? okasha Nov 2014 #127

Actually, you are correct in a way, but still incorrect... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #139

Funny, don't recall saying anything about harming another person. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #69

See above. okasha Nov 2014 #78

Different religious groups vary. Some include self harm. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #113

Assuming you were in "this UU heaven," okasha Nov 2014 #117

You first. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #119

Sorry, but your question okasha Nov 2014 #120

If I'm not capable of anger, despair, grief, etc, I am not free. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #121

It's not my idea of the afterlife, either. okasha Nov 2014 #122

What I cherish, is the freedom to choose. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #123

Let me interject Cartoonist Nov 2014 #109

okasha changes the meanings of words to suit her argument, it renders her arguments meaningless... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #111

Well, in this case, UU itself declines to define sin for the most part. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #116

No, okasha claimed that to sin is to harm others in "all cultures she's aware of" this is false. Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #140

Now, that is pathetic. okasha Nov 2014 #114

UUA doesn't consider itself a Christian Denomination anymore... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #41

Irrelevant. okasha Nov 2014 #47

I don't think it is irrelevant at all. Leontius Nov 2014 #59

They no longer claim to be a Christian denomination themselves... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #64

I find their inclusiveness laudable Leontius Nov 2014 #67

So can a subject of the crown. Free will doesn't imply no consequences. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #37

You would be surprised, there are significant fractions of Christians and Muslims... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #23

Ok you have a point there. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #26

I've met such Militant Christians in real life. stone space Nov 2014 #30

Yeah, everyone else's freedom. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #125

Meet different theist then! hrmjustin Nov 2014 #126

This is just a reflection of your unfortunate experience with theists, Jamastiene. cbayer Nov 2014 #131

Besure to check out their sister group! Lordquinton Nov 2014 #144

You are calling the reddit Mens Rights group the sister group of NALT? cbayer Nov 2014 #149

The problem is your assumptions. It leads you to untenable opinions. rug Nov 2014 #45

Yeah ... right Trajan Nov 2014 #73

Glad you afgree. rug Nov 2014 #76

Theists are anti-freedom? MLK? Eugene Robinson? William Barber? cbayer Nov 2014 #98

Well, he's painting with a rather broad brush. longship Nov 2014 #15

Sounds a lot like standard right wing christian fundie whining to me. Daemonaquila Nov 2014 #16

Exactly. n/t djean111 Nov 2014 #29

That sounds like you're describing your reply. rug Nov 2014 #46

OK, I'll admit it. Cartoonist Nov 2014 #28

Got stats? okasha Nov 2014 #42

About what? Cartoonist Nov 2014 #74

"Religion leads the world in acts of murder and oppression." okasha Nov 2014 #80

I don't get you Cartoonist Nov 2014 #86

I don't "claim to have ties" to Native Americans okasha Nov 2014 #91

Is this the same Baptist church Cartoonist Nov 2014 #104

Wrong again. okasha Nov 2014 #107

To him that's an insult, an indescribably huge insult. Leontius Nov 2014 #141

If I understand you, one of your reasons is you're ashamed of what the RCC has done. rug Nov 2014 #48

That's a good question Cartoonist Nov 2014 #72

I think it's a mixed bag. rug Nov 2014 #79

That would be two of us. okasha Nov 2014 #82

Did you ever hear of the HUAC hearings in Buffalo in 1964? rug Nov 2014 #90

I had read about them. okasha Nov 2014 #103

Ah, I was with the WSA faction. rug Nov 2014 #108

I was. okasha Nov 2014 #112

Tsk. rug Nov 2014 #115

I know. okasha Nov 2014 #118

The corruption in the RCC Cartoonist Nov 2014 #83

How about my religious views or lack of views are my buisness and have nothing to do with you. gordianot Nov 2014 #33

Standard, right-wing word-gaming. immoderate Nov 2014 #35

If you want to call what I, uh, 'practice' rock Nov 2014 #49

Who the hell are you? rug Nov 2014 #50

Exactly rock Nov 2014 #51

Who cares? rickford66 Nov 2014 #53

+1000 catbyte Nov 2014 #62

What a perfect response to these daily jeremiads. nt procon Nov 2014 #75

No, but... Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #129

So? rickford66 Nov 2014 #138

I think you miss the critical point that these particular people don't completely cbayer Nov 2014 #150

Now if football fans would just stop trying to use law to force me to act like a fan too Fumesucker Nov 2014 #182

I'd say Aslan has it right! - n/t Jim__ Nov 2014 #57

Anti-Theism is a good thing bowens43 Nov 2014 #61

If you must label me, make it "Anti-myth-and-superstition." KansDem Nov 2014 #63

I'd forgotten Dawkins' comment okasha Nov 2014 #84

He said that? wow what a jerk he is! hrmjustin Nov 2014 #85

“If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, ... stone space Nov 2014 #92

I find amusing that in this circlejerk, no one has pointed out that it wasn't Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #93

Who said it? hrmjustin Nov 2014 #99

Sam Harris, I think. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #100

Thanks. whoever said it should be ashamed. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #101

You're right. It was Sam Harris. rug Nov 2014 #102

Oh, I'm not defending him, Sam Harris is an asshole in many different ways, this just being one... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #105

Wups, I misread that. okasha Nov 2014 #110

I am a rape survivor and appalled that someone said that. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #97

I reject calling it new atheism. Call them what they are - religophobes. cbayer Nov 2014 #106

Some of the "New Atheists" are assholes Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #128

How dare they write books edhopper Nov 2014 #132

Glad to have entertained you Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #133

So you don't want to address edhopper Nov 2014 #134

Again, not seeing what I'm saying Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #135

No edhopper Nov 2014 #136

I already acknowledged that many believers have shitty attitudes Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #137

I guess I am not edhopper Nov 2014 #157

Love, unlike gods, can be proven Lordquinton Nov 2014 #145

OK Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #146

+1,000, including for your faith that one day one of these posters may open their minds n/t zazen Nov 2014 #154

What would be the name of that chemical, Lord? cbayer Nov 2014 #152

How about we call atheists atheists.. vi5 Nov 2014 #151

I agree. It's the same problem that, say, christians have cbayer Nov 2014 #153

That's fair enough n/t Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #156

And bible-thumping, self-righteous assholes Feral Child Nov 2014 #155

So you're not anti-theist? rug Nov 2014 #159

Religophobia - the irrational fear of religion and those that are religious cbayer Nov 2014 #160

Maybe s/he's a vegetarian. rug Nov 2014 #161

I'm guessing that kidnapping by a band of hyenas was involved. cbayer Nov 2014 #162

The dingo ate me soul! rug Nov 2014 #163

do you think someone edhopper Nov 2014 #164

Yes. cbayer Nov 2014 #165

Reza Aslan is an apologist for bigotry... MellowDem Nov 2014 #170

OTOH, he does not prefer outlawing religion to outlawing rape. rug Nov 2014 #176

OTOH, your post is a non-sequiter... MellowDem Nov 2014 #179

OTOH, you wouldn't recognoze a non sequitur if you spent half a day following one. rug Nov 2014 #191

You provide plenty of examples... MellowDem Nov 2014 #193

I'm sure this thread went well. Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #183

Aside from the predictable squealng. rug Nov 2014 #192