Religion

iris27

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136. And where would be the appropriate place to discuss

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 09:49 PM

Dec 2011

the influence of religion on politics and public life?

I'm not really interested in "religion vs. atheism". If I were, I'd be posting OPs asking how free will can possibly be compatible with the Christian idea that everyone has doomed themselves to hell without Jesus. Or asking why a supposedly loving God would set up a system wherein 70+% of all the souls ever born will writhe in eternal torment, because they either never heard about Jesus, or had other reasons for not believing (were brought up in another religion, or only heard the gospel from people like Fred Phelps, etc.) But that's not what I'm doing.

I just want an open forum where I can complain about politicians who use their faith as a cudgel to beat down gays and women, where I can express my disgust with the "War on Christmas" nonsense, where I can educate people who have never really thought outside the framing of their own religion who might have questions like "where do people without religion get their morals from?" I don't want all discussion of religion to be limited to the extremes of either echo chambers or cagematches.

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A modest proposal [View all] Thats my opinion Dec 2011 OP

I think that belief/lack of belief is open for criticism EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #1

Here's the problem that I have with "eliminate all posts or threads.... Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #2

I see a problem in your third paragraph Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #14

I don't think that is a problem as much as it is my point. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #17

If we did not have politicians saying god Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #18

But these things are not said here, and this is where the debate is, Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #27

Part of that may be true Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #28

I know you hate this being brought up Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #37

If you are really interested in what I believe- Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #47

AD---of course, but why fight off people from somewhere else who say stupid hurtful things? Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #25

This post was not directed to you Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #26

The problem with that is that some see any critique of a belief as demeaning, no matter how politely iris27 Dec 2011 #3

Bingo NMMNG Dec 2011 #15

But has anyone here said that or even believes it? nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #31

Yes, and if you don't know that you haven't been reading many posts here. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #36

You're kidding, right? Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #38

Not here or on r/t Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #69

So... Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #73

Are you serious? beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #44

Often Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #48

I don't believe you. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #53

In this thread!! Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #89

Fail. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #94

The same is true for disbelief. nt bananas Dec 2011 #21

From the group's SOP. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #4

Religion is all about emotion. rrneck Dec 2011 #5

And that is an interesting comment Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #70

I'm an artist. rrneck Dec 2011 #74

Good, I'm also an artist Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #88

Well, for me rrneck Dec 2011 #90

Do you REALLY not see how insulting this is? cleanhippie Dec 2011 #123

Why does anyone believe anything at all? nt LARED Dec 2011 #126

As usual, you have nothing to add. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #128

Ridicule, while often fun, is neither discussion nor evidence of anything. rug Dec 2011 #6

What you consider ridicule may seem like... EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #8

Let the jury decide. rug Dec 2011 #10

really? lazarus Dec 2011 #19

Bullshit smells regardless of belief. rug Dec 2011 #20

Yeah, I'm concerned too, especially considering darkstar3 Dec 2011 #23

What? No way! trotsky Dec 2011 #62

But why can't we try? nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #71

I don't think it is appropriate to censor posts in this group/forum. trotsky Dec 2011 #7

As are negative articles about atheism/agnosticism EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #9

For the record, atheists aren't the people trying to limit what's posted in this group. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #11

I know, and it's a little bit disturbing <nt> EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #12

That puts us right back into the toxic mess we found in r/t Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #33

If you don't like the group, find or found another one. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #35

You are losing this battle. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #39

The toxic mess you helped create, you mean. trotsky Dec 2011 #59

Negative articles about non-religion are not acceptable. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #49

Where is that written? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #50

So you object to your own defamation of atheism? laconicsax Dec 2011 #52

It's simply not true that negative articles about non-religion are not acceptable here. The top iris27 Dec 2011 #54

Defamed atheism. Would being told we're no different than the KKK qualify? beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #56

Says who? trotsky Dec 2011 #60

a good example of wanting to wallow some more in the toxic waste of r/t Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #72

And you're doing your best to generate even more of that waste. n/t trotsky Dec 2011 #78

The only wallowing here is being done by you. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #80

What think ye? NMMNG Dec 2011 #13

Bingo. n/t trotsky Dec 2011 #61

On the surface what you purpose is fine Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #16

If anything I post is an attack on atheism, you have a point. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #29

You routinely denigrate non-believers! laconicsax Dec 2011 #30

Exactly right. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #34

bye n/t cleanhippie Dec 2011 #58

How about the other points I addressed in my post?? Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #32

I intend to post nothing--nor have I--that attacks atheism. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #40

Incorrect, as you have been repeatedly reminded. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #41

Are you deliberately false? laconicsax Dec 2011 #42

I have never said you attacked atheism Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #43

800 posts isnt that much. rrneck Dec 2011 #79

You just never quit, do you? skepticscott Dec 2011 #22

I'd take your request more seriously if you apologized for your posts which demeaned non-believers. laconicsax Dec 2011 #24

Please tell me where I have demeaned non-believers. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #45

What guarantee can you give me that you will listen? laconicsax Dec 2011 #46

When have I denegrated atheists? nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #51

YOU'VE BEEN TOLD EACH TIME! laconicsax Dec 2011 #55

Why do you ask questions NMMNG Dec 2011 #57

IMO, the course of this thread clearly exhibits the continuing problems of this forum struggle4progress Dec 2011 #63

Taking the OP in isolation maybe, but given the poster's history... Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #64

The stuff TMO claims he doesn't want to see is, and has always been, against the rules. trotsky Dec 2011 #65

Please! Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #75

Yes, I have read your clairification before. trotsky Dec 2011 #77

I have never said superior. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #93

You put forth so much effort to deny what your words clearly say. trotsky Dec 2011 #95

Bye. nt skepticscott Dec 2011 #96

see #75 Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #98

You haven't given an answer. trotsky Dec 2011 #99

No sir Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #101

What you said, yet again, was that trotsky Dec 2011 #102

Unfortunately, your arguments and your stance are completely assailable. PassingFair Dec 2011 #84

Why do we need religion?? Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #85

I'll give it a try, reserving the position that this is far too general and complex Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #132

Thank you for the reply Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #134

"Because much of life for all of us would be very one dimensional and grey without it." cleanhippie Dec 2011 #135

There is a SOP for this group. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #66

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #67

If you weren't such an uppity atheist this wouldn't bother you, you know. trotsky Dec 2011 #68

Advocation of censorship has no place here. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #81

With all due respect, I strongly and vehemently disagree EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #114

I am not asking for censorship, only civility nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #118

Are you asking that certain opinions, statements, and stories not be posted here? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #120

I can respect a call for civility EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #124

You SPECIFICALLY asked for censorship. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #76

A modest reply deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #82

I've always enjoyed the cage fighting atmosphere of this group. hunter Dec 2011 #83

+1. "Nobody has to come here." trotsky Dec 2011 #86

Good point, I didn't actually think of that deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #87

Except that they don't skepticscott Dec 2011 #92

A difficult suggestion to comply with. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #91

And here I was ready to discuss uriel1972 Dec 2011 #97

I guess we've said all that need to be said Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #100

avoiding loaded questions? lazarus Dec 2011 #103

I have answered that question over and over again. The latest is in #45 Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #104

I ask you this question in all sincerity: trotsky Dec 2011 #105

Thanks for the questions Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #106

The reason we have a problem is that your repeated "answers" and clarifications... trotsky Dec 2011 #107

Aren't even you weary of parsing what I said a year ago? I am. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #108

Just forget it. trotsky Dec 2011 #110

Back in the day, we called that "jive talking" cleanhippie Dec 2011 #112

to your last question Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #109

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #111

You can't even define "religious ethics" skepticscott Dec 2011 #113

Back up in post #85 I asked aquestion Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #115

You are looking for a whole theological book. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #119

I am just asking for YOUR reasons why we need religion Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #121

I made an attempt to answer your question. See 132 nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #133

Name ONE! skepticscott Dec 2011 #116

of course, that is true. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #117

So in other words, you claim that skepticscott Dec 2011 #122

And once again you cut and run skepticscott Dec 2011 #129

Perhaps create a group "Religion vs Atheism" . . . MrModerate Dec 2011 #127

If we have to wear trunks to post, this place will be empty in an hour. rug Dec 2011 #130

Only if such a group was completely unmoderated. deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #131

And where would be the appropriate place to discuss iris27 Dec 2011 #136

In answer to your first question, I'd say the Religion group . . . MrModerate Dec 2011 #137

Yeah, I think we've got enough confusion with the various groups that exist already. iris27 Dec 2011 #138