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tama

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33. Excellent point

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 08:55 PM

Dec 2011

Tribes believing in shamanistic/mythical explanations/stories have been attested to survive in jungle and arctic etc. and to be able to live sustainably. AFAIK there is yet no proof of a society believing in only scientific explanations and technology being able to live sustainably - though I would very much like to see that happening.

What I don't much like in Dawkins etc. who raise scientific explanations and scientific knowledge over all other explanations and forms of knowledge is that make a very politicized claim of superiority - just like Christian some sects etc. make strong claims of superiority over others and that their way is the only way. On the other hand in highly contrasted situations you need both black and white, and the balanced "truth" is in the middle and in both sides - like yin and yang.

Scientific explanations and truths can and do have their place and validity, and so can mythical, artistic, philosophical etc. etc. They are not mutually exclusive, any more than "predictable" rational and "unpredictable" irrational and transcendental numbers are mutually exclusive. They form the set of real numbers, and number theory does not end with reals, but there are also complex numbers based on imaginary number, p-adics, etc.

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Is it Rude to Suggest that Religious Folks May Be Ignorant? [View all] LAGC Dec 2011 OP

Rude, no. Stupid, yes. rug Dec 2011 #1

Religion is the intermediate step between ignorance and knowledge. immoderate Dec 2011 #2

Great point. n/t trotsky Dec 2011 #17

It is far better skepticscott Dec 2011 #29

Yes, I was pointing out the irony of certain types of compromise. immoderate Dec 2011 #31

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2011 #50

the real question is, why is E.B. Tylor's rubric still being used, where religion is only an early, MisterP Dec 2011 #3

There's way more wonder in thinking about things as they are. laconicsax Dec 2011 #4

Is it rude to suggest that brown-skinned, Spanish-speaking people in America might be illegals? n/t TygrBright Dec 2011 #5

Yes... considering the US has a very large population of NATIVE latinos. JustFiveMoreMinutes Dec 2011 #6

Instead of answering your question TlalocW Dec 2011 #7

Not rude. rrneck Dec 2011 #8

No, and I will say everybody is ignorant about something.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #9

Very well said. LAGC Dec 2011 #10

I think this leads to much misunderstanding between religious people and... Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #11

It may be rude but the truth often is....... nt bowens43 Dec 2011 #12

The word 'ignorant' is a dangerous one to use muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #13

'Ignorant' was my word, not his. LAGC Dec 2011 #14

It is both ignorant and arrogant to say it. Jim__ Dec 2011 #15

I would have an extemely difficult surviving in a jungle without modern supplies. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #16

Excellent point tama Dec 2011 #33

Uhm, its not like people living in a jungle didn't learn how to live there... Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #34

Vegetalista shamans tama Dec 2011 #38

Its a psychoactive substance, what would we be testing, its affects on humans? Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #48

What's the hypothesis? tama Dec 2011 #49

I was just trying to say different people have different knowledge. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #35

Birds and other wild animals have the intelligence to get out of the way lindysalsagal Dec 2011 #52

Doesn't sound like a blanket "ignorant about everything" statement. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #18

*psst* laconicsax Dec 2011 #19

Everything I know about string theory Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #20

It's fun to read books by string theorists. laconicsax Dec 2011 #21

Sounds like reading James Joyce. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #22

Let me investigate your question by the comparative method struggle4progress Dec 2011 #23

I wasn't aware that any of those groups made blanket claims about natural phenomena... LAGC Dec 2011 #25

Oh SNAP! What a great response to the false equivalencies provided to you. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #30

Boom goes the dynamite. Well done. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #37

Is it Rude to Suggest that String Theorists May Be Ignorant? nt tama Dec 2011 #39

Here? Yes. Iggo Dec 2011 #24

perhaps a little, when put in direct terms deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #26

If you ran across a group of people who worshipped Zeus, and prepared burnt offerings.... PassingFair Dec 2011 #27

They would probably be really fun. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #36

Hellenism, of course they exist tama Dec 2011 #40

I think the point of the post uriel1972 Dec 2011 #44

Benevolent interpretation tama Dec 2011 #45

Ignorance is not a crime - we're all ignorant of many things. mr blur Dec 2011 #28

One should distinguish between religious individuals and religious bodies FarCenter Dec 2011 #32

I'm sorry, where in there did Dawkins call religious people ignorant? ChadwickHenryWard Dec 2011 #41

It is rude to call all religious people ignorant, uriel1972 Dec 2011 #42

What is the difference between "ignorance" and "magical thinking". darkstar3 Dec 2011 #43

I take your point nt uriel1972 Dec 2011 #46

To base your tama Dec 2011 #47

Most of us who reject magical thinking grew up practicing it in good faith. iris27 Dec 2011 #54

Praying? tama Dec 2011 #55

I use magical thinking lazarus Dec 2011 #56

Yes, exactly. Not a slur, but a description. n/t iris27 Dec 2011 #57

lol! lindysalsagal Dec 2011 #53

It's not rude to tell the truth Eliminator Dec 2011 #51