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17. Hmm….. he is not mentioned in the entire article. Why is that?

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New Atheism, Old Empire [View all] unrepentant progress Dec 2014 OP

Harris and Hitchens were warmongers. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #1

Harris? How so? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #24

That may be an error. I don't see the source I thought showed it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #26

'sok Sam is so tired of this shit he has done the research for you. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #28

It is sad that the people who push these hateful, false memes... trotsky Dec 2014 #29

It appears I was successfully snookered. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #49

Not your fault. trotsky Dec 2014 #73

I looked, didn't find anything egregious. Rug's taken a stab, fell short of the mark too. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #42

Is this explicit enough? rug Dec 2014 #32

That's actually pretty reasonable of a concern. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #40

Hiow many of these are you willing to support? rug Dec 2014 #43

He's cautioning against a possibility, not cheerleading for it. Reading Comprehension; The More You AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #44

Bullshit. He's rationalizing them. rug Dec 2014 #45

No he isn't. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #47

He was rationaling Iraq in 2004. rug Dec 2014 #50

You're not making any sense. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #51

"we are attempting, at considerable cost to ourselves, to improve life for the Iraqi people." rug Dec 2014 #54

'The height of horror' didn't come about till around 2006. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #56

Okay. How about "escalating horror"? rug Dec 2014 #63

"Muslim moderates, wherever they are, must be given every tool necessary to win a war of ideas with AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #48

That's not his primary point at all. rug Dec 2014 #52

The best I can determine is AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #55

The bodies enabled by these war apologists are not yet immaterial. rug Dec 2014 #64

Except he's not doing that, AND even if I accepted 'apologist' he still AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #67

Hitchens never couched his positions. I give him that. rug Dec 2014 #69

His stances on anything other phil89 Dec 2014 #110

I agree with that. rug Dec 2014 #124

He was a little more explicit in his book. stone space Dec 2014 #59

"Needless to say, this would be an unthinkable crime" AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #61

"...but it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe." (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #76

Yes, if you slice and dice and chop it out all context of the 'what'/'go-do' you can make the 'why' AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #90

Slice it and dice it however you want. Nuclear genocide is still genocide. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #91

And being disingenuous is still being disingenuous. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #93

No, he was discussing them being annihilated on account of genocide. stone space Dec 2014 #96

And you still seem confused that it's a WARNING and not an exhortation. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #97

Warning of a first strike genocidal nuclear attack? (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #99

Say it again without the question mark. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #100

Describing genocide as "the only option available to us"... stone space Dec 2014 #102

Except that's the only option after YOU distill his entire message down to that. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #107

You mean like not doing a first strike nuclear attack in the first place? stone space Dec 2014 #108

If you actually read the whole thing, yes. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #109

Liberals made no excuses for William Bennett when he said something similar cpwm17 Dec 2014 #94

Not equal in the slightest. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #95

No, they are completely the same. cpwm17 Dec 2014 #103

Well, you are clearly determined to misconstrue his statement to craft that narrative, sure. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #106

They both expressed very similar extremely racist fantasies cpwm17 Dec 2014 #111

Religion isn't a race. One of your examples assumes race as a modifier to crime rates. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #113

You are wrong cpwm17 Dec 2014 #119

Harris warned against, not fantasized about, nuclear war. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #122

Here's what a war cheerleader posted in GD during Israel's recent aggressions against the Gaza Strip cpwm17 Dec 2014 #139

And as I just said... AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #142

So now you should go back to your previous belief and acknowledge that he is a warmonger cpwm17 Dec 2014 #144

You have yet to demonstrate he is either. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #145

Reading, it's fundamental. cpwm17 Dec 2014 #156

That is his justification for support/aid to moderate muslims, because they MUST AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #159

Harris is a war monger cpwm17 Dec 2014 #92

Balls! immoderate Dec 2014 #2

Yes, I would say that to mount this kind of unemotional and heavily researched attack cbayer Dec 2014 #4

This is one of the harshest critiques that i have read of this particular group. cbayer Dec 2014 #3

How is it not diverse? That one guy has a beard! n/t TygrBright Dec 2014 #8

Lol, hi there TB! cbayer Dec 2014 #11

Philosopher Daniel Dennett unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #14

Ah, thank you very much. He is longship's favorite and I have only cbayer Dec 2014 #16

Hmm….. he is not mentioned in the entire article. Why is that? cbayer Dec 2014 #17

Doesn't fit the convoluted demonization MellowDem Dec 2014 #18

And two of them wear glasses. okasha Dec 2014 #71

You have a peculiar definition of "sacred cow," cbayer. trotsky Dec 2014 #21

Oh please, the image is a photoshop collage. It reveals nothing except the biases of the author that AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #27

Bullshit. Sacred cows? Who is this "some"? skepticscott Dec 2014 #57

Devotees do not look at holy cows as leaders. They simply revere them. rug Dec 2014 #65

Crazy lack of diversity, huh? trotsky Dec 2014 #74

Hey, there was a Polish guy. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #85

I don't understand your "diversity" point. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #123

The demographics of atheists are striking, although they are changing slowly. cbayer Dec 2014 #125

And the point is what, exactly? Jim Lane Dec 2014 #130

This is an article about the political views of certain prominent atheists. cbayer Dec 2014 #131

"I am not going to do your homework right now" - priceless! Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #137

Truly classic. trotsky Dec 2014 #138

You're probably not aware that skepticscott Dec 2014 #132

Why do we need "justification" for being atheists? stone space Dec 2014 #134

Some of us skepticscott Dec 2014 #135

We don't have access to the "reasons" for our beliefs. stone space Dec 2014 #143

Add 'English Major' to the list. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #146

So you have no "reasons" for doing anything? skepticscott Dec 2014 #148

At the time, it seemed the logical thing to do. stone space Dec 2014 #149

You fit right in skepticscott Dec 2014 #150

"He'll be collecting his brownie points and getting his promotion soon." AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #151

I've been meaning to ask about that. n/t. bvf Dec 2014 #168

It's a pop cuture reference that I've found useful. stone space Dec 2014 #173

What kind of reason would you have me give? stone space Dec 2014 #157

The fact that you even need to ask such questions skepticscott Dec 2014 #160

Thank you for your kind sympathy. stone space Dec 2014 #161

No problem...it's nothing you don't deserve skepticscott Dec 2014 #165

Oh, that one is easy. stone space Dec 2014 #164

Most of the world's atheists live in China. PassingFair Dec 2014 #186

When that uncomfortable fact is brought up Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #189

Yeah, that tends to happen when the government has an extensive history cbayer Dec 2014 #190

These demographics? PassingFair Dec 2014 #192

No, these demographics. cbayer Dec 2014 #193

Well it's like this: trotsky Dec 2014 #128

Time to update your post Lordquinton Dec 2014 #162

You mean he changed the image? cbayer Dec 2014 #163

Good article, good source. rug Dec 2014 #5

They have done this by promoting a popular cause within a community that would otherwise cbayer Dec 2014 #13

To my mind the NAs are more in the mold of the original neocons than neo-liberals. unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #83

You may be right about that. rug Dec 2014 #126

It's strange how new atheism... MellowDem Dec 2014 #6

It's funny how the only people who have trouble knowing the meaning of 'New Atheism'... unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #9

Not according to the author.... MellowDem Dec 2014 #10

OK, let me reword that... unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #12

The author essentially tries to make... MellowDem Dec 2014 #15

Nailed it. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #20

Bravo! immoderate Dec 2014 #30

IBTIAAH Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #31

yES!!!! Iggo Dec 2014 #34

Very well said. n/t. bvf Dec 2014 #169

So, for example, Voltaire was a New Atheist? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #25

It's strange that none of the people who are called "New Atheists" skepticscott Dec 2014 #58

Lol! rug Dec 2014 #66

What's a "self-loathing atheist"? stone space Dec 2014 #75

For a prototype Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #86

Please do not post to me. stone space Dec 2014 #87

Use ignore Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #88

Will you promise never to use the N-Word with me ever again? stone space Dec 2014 #89

Fallacy; category: Loaded Question. Example: "Have you stopped beating your wife?" AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #114

Respecting boundries is not a fallacy. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #115

And you know full well that isn't what I was referring to. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #116

You replied to a post addressed to another user... stone space Dec 2014 #117

Yes I did. Because when I see behavior like that, I call it out. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #118

Behaviour like what? stone space Dec 2014 #120

I took issue with the wording of Post 89, because of the implicit characterization of the exchange AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #121

If I ask you to stop replying to me, will you? n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #129

Interesting spelling of "behavior." Heddi Dec 2014 #166

In a Ramsey Theory article a while back, ... stone space Dec 2014 #172

Nice non-answer Heddi Dec 2014 #180

Are you a stalker? stone space Dec 2014 #181

are you? Heddi Dec 2014 #182

Nice goats. Small ark. We have goats. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #191

I don't have any kids at any pepper farm stone space Dec 2014 #183

Extra Butter, Please TygrBright Dec 2014 #7

LMFAO! trotsky Dec 2014 #19

I know! MellowDem Dec 2014 #22

They're still mad we don't have leaders. (Hint: It's because we're not followers.) Iggo Dec 2014 #33

Wow edhopper Dec 2014 #23

At face value, Daniel Dennett is one of the 3 New Atheists, and Hitchens is not muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #35

Hitchens later added himself unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #36

Exactly. So why did you link to an article which ignores Dennett muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #37

Because I quite agree with the author unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #38

It's not 'persecution', it's bullshit. Don't flatter yourself. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #39

There are a lot of people who are afraid of this small group Lordquinton Dec 2014 #41

Thank goodness they have very little pull in the world. cbayer Dec 2014 #46

Yes indeed. Theists are doing a fine job in making this world a shithole. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #53

So, Warren, do you prefer an atheist capitalist or a theist socialist? rug Dec 2014 #70

Apparently they have enough pull and scare people enough skepticscott Dec 2014 #60

There are a lot of people afraid of the Kardashians. rug Dec 2014 #68

And there's no talk of PZ Meyers in this article. Wonder why? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #62

The Four Horsemen of New Atheism, according to people who hate New Atheism: Act_of_Reparation Dec 2014 #72

I think the problem here is in the definition of New Atheists. cbayer Dec 2014 #98

If it's just a subgroup of "New Atheists" then it isn't about "New Atheism," and the title is false trotsky Dec 2014 #105

I note you manage to 'expand' the list without managing to include any women. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #112

Or the many non european atheists who are women of color Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #154

Even the lists on Wikipedia are shockingly male-centric. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #155

Followers of the twin religions of Militarism and Nuclearism have no business... stone space Dec 2014 #77

Actually, they have every right. trotsky Dec 2014 #78

Then they need to get up off their knees, ... stone space Dec 2014 #79

Colorful language, but not necessarily true. trotsky Dec 2014 #81

Harris is a war monger. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #82

Saying something doesn't make it true. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #84

Denying something doesn't make it go away. rug Dec 2014 #127

Meh. I have no problem with that unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #80

atheism says absolutely nothing about "militarism" or "?nuclearism?" <--wtf? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #101

Keep the faith, man. stone space Dec 2014 #104

More bullshit- mr blur Dec 2014 #133

Actually, there's been very little said about Dawkins, and... stone space Dec 2014 #136

Another article that connects Islamophobia with imperialism. Jim__ Dec 2014 #140

Excellent essay! unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #141

that's Gramsci--"materialism" means you start with the material--then work up in layers MisterP Dec 2014 #167

Oh wow. Thanks for the link to the collection of Watson Heston comics. unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #176

their arguments haven't changed, either MisterP Dec 2014 #184

Yeah. unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #185

As a matter of interest, what is the message you take from that page of that book? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #195

How do you feel about ISIS? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #147

I "feel" that, if not for the 2003 US Invasion of Iraq, ISIS wouldn't exist. Jim__ Dec 2014 #152

Kind of a massive avoidance. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #153

Avoidance? Please. I directly answered the non-specific question that you asked. Jim__ Dec 2014 #170

So the sum total of your thoughts regarding ISIS are : Bush's fault. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #171

You did not ask me about the sum total of my thoughts about ISIS. Jim__ Dec 2014 #174

Yes I do understand that the question is uncomfortable and responding with a non answer Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #187

You understand that "the question is uncomfortable"? Jim__ Dec 2014 #194

More likely your answer made him uncomfortable. rug Dec 2014 #196

Interesting article, thanks for it Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #158

The New Atheists think religion is an intellectual problem... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #175

One of the major problems that some of these more vocal people has is cbayer Dec 2014 #177

One only has to look at Buddhism to see the importance of suffering in... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #178

The very first thing I read about Buddhism was this: cbayer Dec 2014 #179

I agree with you and can't really add much so I haven't said anything unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #188