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stone space

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96. No, he was discussing them being annihilated on account of genocide.

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 11:51 AM

Dec 2014

I have just described a plausible scenario in which much of the world’s population could be annihilated on account of religious ideas

Not because of any religious ideas, but because of genocidal maniacs in this country who would launch a first strike nuclear attack.

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New Atheism, Old Empire [View all] unrepentant progress Dec 2014 OP

Harris and Hitchens were warmongers. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #1

Harris? How so? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #24

That may be an error. I don't see the source I thought showed it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #26

'sok Sam is so tired of this shit he has done the research for you. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #28

It is sad that the people who push these hateful, false memes... trotsky Dec 2014 #29

It appears I was successfully snookered. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #49

Not your fault. trotsky Dec 2014 #73

I looked, didn't find anything egregious. Rug's taken a stab, fell short of the mark too. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #42

Is this explicit enough? rug Dec 2014 #32

That's actually pretty reasonable of a concern. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #40

Hiow many of these are you willing to support? rug Dec 2014 #43

He's cautioning against a possibility, not cheerleading for it. Reading Comprehension; The More You AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #44

Bullshit. He's rationalizing them. rug Dec 2014 #45

No he isn't. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #47

He was rationaling Iraq in 2004. rug Dec 2014 #50

You're not making any sense. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #51

"we are attempting, at considerable cost to ourselves, to improve life for the Iraqi people." rug Dec 2014 #54

'The height of horror' didn't come about till around 2006. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #56

Okay. How about "escalating horror"? rug Dec 2014 #63

"Muslim moderates, wherever they are, must be given every tool necessary to win a war of ideas with AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #48

That's not his primary point at all. rug Dec 2014 #52

The best I can determine is AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #55

The bodies enabled by these war apologists are not yet immaterial. rug Dec 2014 #64

Except he's not doing that, AND even if I accepted 'apologist' he still AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #67

Hitchens never couched his positions. I give him that. rug Dec 2014 #69

His stances on anything other phil89 Dec 2014 #110

I agree with that. rug Dec 2014 #124

He was a little more explicit in his book. stone space Dec 2014 #59

"Needless to say, this would be an unthinkable crime" AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #61

"...but it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe." (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #76

Yes, if you slice and dice and chop it out all context of the 'what'/'go-do' you can make the 'why' AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #90

Slice it and dice it however you want. Nuclear genocide is still genocide. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #91

And being disingenuous is still being disingenuous. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #93

No, he was discussing them being annihilated on account of genocide. stone space Dec 2014 #96

And you still seem confused that it's a WARNING and not an exhortation. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #97

Warning of a first strike genocidal nuclear attack? (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #99

Say it again without the question mark. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #100

Describing genocide as "the only option available to us"... stone space Dec 2014 #102

Except that's the only option after YOU distill his entire message down to that. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #107

You mean like not doing a first strike nuclear attack in the first place? stone space Dec 2014 #108

If you actually read the whole thing, yes. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #109

Liberals made no excuses for William Bennett when he said something similar cpwm17 Dec 2014 #94

Not equal in the slightest. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #95

No, they are completely the same. cpwm17 Dec 2014 #103

Well, you are clearly determined to misconstrue his statement to craft that narrative, sure. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #106

They both expressed very similar extremely racist fantasies cpwm17 Dec 2014 #111

Religion isn't a race. One of your examples assumes race as a modifier to crime rates. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #113

You are wrong cpwm17 Dec 2014 #119

Harris warned against, not fantasized about, nuclear war. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #122

Here's what a war cheerleader posted in GD during Israel's recent aggressions against the Gaza Strip cpwm17 Dec 2014 #139

And as I just said... AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #142

So now you should go back to your previous belief and acknowledge that he is a warmonger cpwm17 Dec 2014 #144

You have yet to demonstrate he is either. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #145

Reading, it's fundamental. cpwm17 Dec 2014 #156

That is his justification for support/aid to moderate muslims, because they MUST AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #159

Harris is a war monger cpwm17 Dec 2014 #92

Balls! immoderate Dec 2014 #2

Yes, I would say that to mount this kind of unemotional and heavily researched attack cbayer Dec 2014 #4

This is one of the harshest critiques that i have read of this particular group. cbayer Dec 2014 #3

How is it not diverse? That one guy has a beard! n/t TygrBright Dec 2014 #8

Lol, hi there TB! cbayer Dec 2014 #11

Philosopher Daniel Dennett unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #14

Ah, thank you very much. He is longship's favorite and I have only cbayer Dec 2014 #16

Hmm�.. he is not mentioned in the entire article. Why is that? cbayer Dec 2014 #17

Doesn't fit the convoluted demonization MellowDem Dec 2014 #18

And two of them wear glasses. okasha Dec 2014 #71

You have a peculiar definition of "sacred cow," cbayer. trotsky Dec 2014 #21

Oh please, the image is a photoshop collage. It reveals nothing except the biases of the author that AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #27

Bullshit. Sacred cows? Who is this "some"? skepticscott Dec 2014 #57

Devotees do not look at holy cows as leaders. They simply revere them. rug Dec 2014 #65

Crazy lack of diversity, huh? trotsky Dec 2014 #74

Hey, there was a Polish guy. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #85

I don't understand your "diversity" point. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #123

The demographics of atheists are striking, although they are changing slowly. cbayer Dec 2014 #125

And the point is what, exactly? Jim Lane Dec 2014 #130

This is an article about the political views of certain prominent atheists. cbayer Dec 2014 #131

"I am not going to do your homework right now" - priceless! Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #137

Truly classic. trotsky Dec 2014 #138

You're probably not aware that skepticscott Dec 2014 #132

Why do we need "justification" for being atheists? stone space Dec 2014 #134

Some of us skepticscott Dec 2014 #135

We don't have access to the "reasons" for our beliefs. stone space Dec 2014 #143

Add 'English Major' to the list. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #146

So you have no "reasons" for doing anything? skepticscott Dec 2014 #148

At the time, it seemed the logical thing to do. stone space Dec 2014 #149

You fit right in skepticscott Dec 2014 #150

"He'll be collecting his brownie points and getting his promotion soon." AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #151

I've been meaning to ask about that. n/t. bvf Dec 2014 #168

It's a pop cuture reference that I've found useful. stone space Dec 2014 #173

What kind of reason would you have me give? stone space Dec 2014 #157

The fact that you even need to ask such questions skepticscott Dec 2014 #160

Thank you for your kind sympathy. stone space Dec 2014 #161

No problem...it's nothing you don't deserve skepticscott Dec 2014 #165

Oh, that one is easy. stone space Dec 2014 #164

Most of the world's atheists live in China. PassingFair Dec 2014 #186

When that uncomfortable fact is brought up Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #189

Yeah, that tends to happen when the government has an extensive history cbayer Dec 2014 #190

These demographics? PassingFair Dec 2014 #192

No, these demographics. cbayer Dec 2014 #193

Well it's like this: trotsky Dec 2014 #128

Time to update your post Lordquinton Dec 2014 #162

You mean he changed the image? cbayer Dec 2014 #163

Good article, good source. rug Dec 2014 #5

They have done this by promoting a popular cause within a community that would otherwise cbayer Dec 2014 #13

To my mind the NAs are more in the mold of the original neocons than neo-liberals. unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #83

You may be right about that. rug Dec 2014 #126

It's strange how new atheism... MellowDem Dec 2014 #6

It's funny how the only people who have trouble knowing the meaning of 'New Atheism'... unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #9

Not according to the author.... MellowDem Dec 2014 #10

OK, let me reword that... unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #12

The author essentially tries to make... MellowDem Dec 2014 #15

Nailed it. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #20

Bravo! immoderate Dec 2014 #30

IBTIAAH Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #31

yES!!!! Iggo Dec 2014 #34

Very well said. n/t. bvf Dec 2014 #169

So, for example, Voltaire was a New Atheist? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #25

It's strange that none of the people who are called "New Atheists" skepticscott Dec 2014 #58

Lol! rug Dec 2014 #66

What's a "self-loathing atheist"? stone space Dec 2014 #75

For a prototype Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #86

Please do not post to me. stone space Dec 2014 #87

Use ignore Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #88

Will you promise never to use the N-Word with me ever again? stone space Dec 2014 #89

Fallacy; category: Loaded Question. Example: "Have you stopped beating your wife?" AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #114

Respecting boundries is not a fallacy. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #115

And you know full well that isn't what I was referring to. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #116

You replied to a post addressed to another user... stone space Dec 2014 #117

Yes I did. Because when I see behavior like that, I call it out. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #118

Behaviour like what? stone space Dec 2014 #120

I took issue with the wording of Post 89, because of the implicit characterization of the exchange AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #121

If I ask you to stop replying to me, will you? n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #129

Interesting spelling of "behavior." Heddi Dec 2014 #166

In a Ramsey Theory article a while back, ... stone space Dec 2014 #172

Nice non-answer Heddi Dec 2014 #180

Are you a stalker? stone space Dec 2014 #181

are you? Heddi Dec 2014 #182

Nice goats. Small ark. We have goats. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #191

I don't have any kids at any pepper farm stone space Dec 2014 #183

Extra Butter, Please TygrBright Dec 2014 #7

LMFAO! trotsky Dec 2014 #19

I know! MellowDem Dec 2014 #22

They're still mad we don't have leaders. (Hint: It's because we're not followers.) Iggo Dec 2014 #33

Wow edhopper Dec 2014 #23

At face value, Daniel Dennett is one of the 3 New Atheists, and Hitchens is not muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #35

Hitchens later added himself unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #36

Exactly. So why did you link to an article which ignores Dennett muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #37

Because I quite agree with the author unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #38

It's not 'persecution', it's bullshit. Don't flatter yourself. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #39

There are a lot of people who are afraid of this small group Lordquinton Dec 2014 #41

Thank goodness they have very little pull in the world. cbayer Dec 2014 #46

Yes indeed. Theists are doing a fine job in making this world a shithole. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #53

So, Warren, do you prefer an atheist capitalist or a theist socialist? rug Dec 2014 #70

Apparently they have enough pull and scare people enough skepticscott Dec 2014 #60

There are a lot of people afraid of the Kardashians. rug Dec 2014 #68

And there's no talk of PZ Meyers in this article. Wonder why? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #62

The Four Horsemen of New Atheism, according to people who hate New Atheism: Act_of_Reparation Dec 2014 #72

I think the problem here is in the definition of New Atheists. cbayer Dec 2014 #98

If it's just a subgroup of "New Atheists" then it isn't about "New Atheism," and the title is false trotsky Dec 2014 #105

I note you manage to 'expand' the list without managing to include any women. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #112

Or the many non european atheists who are women of color Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #154

Even the lists on Wikipedia are shockingly male-centric. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #155

Followers of the twin religions of Militarism and Nuclearism have no business... stone space Dec 2014 #77

Actually, they have every right. trotsky Dec 2014 #78

Then they need to get up off their knees, ... stone space Dec 2014 #79

Colorful language, but not necessarily true. trotsky Dec 2014 #81

Harris is a war monger. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #82

Saying something doesn't make it true. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #84

Denying something doesn't make it go away. rug Dec 2014 #127

Meh. I have no problem with that unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #80

atheism says absolutely nothing about "militarism" or "?nuclearism?" <--wtf? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #101

Keep the faith, man. stone space Dec 2014 #104

More bullshit- mr blur Dec 2014 #133

Actually, there's been very little said about Dawkins, and... stone space Dec 2014 #136

Another article that connects Islamophobia with imperialism. Jim__ Dec 2014 #140

Excellent essay! unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #141

that's Gramsci--"materialism" means you start with the material--then work up in layers MisterP Dec 2014 #167

Oh wow. Thanks for the link to the collection of Watson Heston comics. unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #176

their arguments haven't changed, either MisterP Dec 2014 #184

Yeah. unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #185

As a matter of interest, what is the message you take from that page of that book? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #195

How do you feel about ISIS? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #147

I "feel" that, if not for the 2003 US Invasion of Iraq, ISIS wouldn't exist. Jim__ Dec 2014 #152

Kind of a massive avoidance. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #153

Avoidance? Please. I directly answered the non-specific question that you asked. Jim__ Dec 2014 #170

So the sum total of your thoughts regarding ISIS are : Bush's fault. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #171

You did not ask me about the sum total of my thoughts about ISIS. Jim__ Dec 2014 #174

Yes I do understand that the question is uncomfortable and responding with a non answer Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #187

You understand that "the question is uncomfortable"? Jim__ Dec 2014 #194

More likely your answer made him uncomfortable. rug Dec 2014 #196

Interesting article, thanks for it Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #158

The New Atheists think religion is an intellectual problem... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #175

One of the major problems that some of these more vocal people has is cbayer Dec 2014 #177

One only has to look at Buddhism to see the importance of suffering in... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #178

The very first thing I read about Buddhism was this: cbayer Dec 2014 #179

I agree with you and can't really add much so I haven't said anything unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #188