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6. Neither a Critic of Islam, Nor a Champion of Women's Rights

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Original post)

Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:12 PM

Dec 2014

Nathan Lean
Posted: 04/18/2014 6:12 pm EDT
Updated: 06/18/2014 5:59 am EDT

... A "critic."

That's a lukewarm description for someone who has expressed her support for defeating Islam (not extremists, but the entire faith) by military means if necessary. Let's be clear: Such measures do not constitute "criticism." Instead, they are dangerously close to advocating genocide.

Similarly, it is not "criticism" to promote the idea that the 2010 massacre carried out by the Norwegian terrorist, Anders Breivik, was a result of his supposed censorship. That is dangerously close to justifying an act terrorism that killed 77 and injured more than 300 others.

It is fine to be a critic of Islam or any religion. But Hirsi Ali crosses a line. Suggesting that her views are simply unfavorable normalizes extremism. It also dilutes genuine critiques by lumping them into one vague category that contains calls for military action against Muslims and reasoned negative appraisals alike. And, it legitimizes the idea that reasoned criticism of Islam is enough to warrant the denial of a public platform ...

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Yet Another Horrible New Atheist: Ayaan Hirsi Ali [View all] Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 OP

She really is an outstanding writer and critic of religion. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #1

She's been affiliated with the right-wing American Enterprise Institute YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #80

LOL! n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #81

She's already been dismissed as a right wing crank in this venue. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #2

All the more reason she should have been in the picture of who Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #3

Little from column A, little from column B. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #4

Well, what would she know from merely living it? trotsky Dec 2014 #7

There's that binary thinking again. rug Dec 2014 #9

Considering Islam is explicitly misogynistic... MellowDem Dec 2014 #10

If a person is being intellectually honest and consistent, he or she would measure the degree rug Dec 2014 #13

They wouldn't identify with bigoted belief systems... MellowDem Dec 2014 #15

Let me know when you renounce your US citizenship, OK? stone space Dec 2014 #19

US citizenship isn't a belief system... MellowDem Dec 2014 #28

It's not an anology. stone space Dec 2014 #31

Then it's a completely irrelevant point? MellowDem Dec 2014 #36

Completely relevant. stone space Dec 2014 #40

What makes it relevant? MellowDem Dec 2014 #47

It may not be relevant to you. stone space Dec 2014 #51

Actually it is. It encompasses the obligations, as well as the rights, embodied in the Constitution. rug Dec 2014 #33

None of which are a belief system. MellowDem Dec 2014 #37

I take it you did not live under the draft. rug Dec 2014 #39

It's not a belief system MellowDem Dec 2014 #46

It absolutely is. rug Dec 2014 #48

Obligations are not beliefs... MellowDem Dec 2014 #49

Various belief systems impose obligations, as well as purported benefits. rug Dec 2014 #50

But the U.S. isn't one of them, MellowDem Dec 2014 #53

Watch how civics is taught in elementary school and see if that statement holds. rug Dec 2014 #54

Then what are the pacifist purges... stone space Dec 2014 #55

Because of laws? MellowDem Dec 2014 #58

Laws in violation of the First Amendment. stone space Dec 2014 #59

So, if laws are written to outlaw atheism, ... stone space Dec 2014 #69

I have no idea why you are attacking that Strawmen... MellowDem Dec 2014 #74

Laws target people with blasphemous beliefs. stone space Dec 2014 #75

Yes.... MellowDem Dec 2014 #76

Then why do we need Blasphemy Laws? stone space Dec 2014 #77

I agree there should be no blasphemy laws... MellowDem Dec 2014 #78

That would require the repeal of the Solomon Amendment. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #79

How can you have a PhD in Mathematics and be a mathematics professor Heddi Dec 2014 #60

I didn't say it was easy. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #62

no, what you didn't say was how you can have a PhD Heddi Dec 2014 #63

It wasn't easy. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #64

how did you do it? Heddi Dec 2014 #66

It's one of those "Don't try this at home" kind of thingies. stone space Dec 2014 #68

what does militancy have to do with Heddi Dec 2014 #70

The government doesn't like militants. stone space Dec 2014 #71

Thanks for the non-answer Heddi Dec 2014 #72

I told you it was hard. stone space Dec 2014 #73

Belief in and willingness to use violence. stone space Dec 2014 #52

did you just say you militant in your opposition to violence? Lordquinton Dec 2014 #61

Yes, I'm a militant atheist and a militant pacifist. stone space Dec 2014 #65

Yeah, I know, right Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #67

I see your ability to distinguish the part from the whole remains obtuse. rug Dec 2014 #32

I see your ability to excuse cognitive dissonance... MellowDem Dec 2014 #35

It would be condescending to excuse you. rug Dec 2014 #41

.. in .. a 2007 interview with Reason .. Hirsi Ali .. repudiates the notion that her enemy is merely struggle4progress Dec 2014 #5

Hirsi actually experienced being brutally silenced with no outlet. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #8

What did they say? stone space Dec 2014 #21

That isn't what i meant :/ AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #25

I found some commenbts by the Garner family. stone space Dec 2014 #26

They are clearly upset. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #27

You mean this? stone space Dec 2014 #22

Neither a Critic of Islam, Nor a Champion of Women's Rights struggle4progress Dec 2014 #6

Islam is a bigoted belief system... MellowDem Dec 2014 #11

Malcolm X's Letter from Mecca struggle4progress Dec 2014 #14

Tell me, are non-Muslims allowed in Mecca? MellowDem Dec 2014 #16

Consider who probably is and isn't implied by the word "brotherhood"... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #18

Malcolm and the brotherhood of Muslims. edhopper Dec 2014 #23

I think it means killing people and blowing stuff up. stone space Dec 2014 #20

If you lived in a society... MellowDem Dec 2014 #29

You seemed unsure of its meaning. stone space Dec 2014 #30

Does it mean genocide? MellowDem Dec 2014 #34

I think it means killing people and blowing stuff up. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #44

So being a militant atheist means "killing people and blowing stuff up" Lordquinton Dec 2014 #38

Why do you keep attacking militant atheists? stone space Dec 2014 #43

-- Heddi Dec 2014 #56

I've met militant atheists Lordquinton Dec 2014 #57

She seems more conservative... MellowDem Dec 2014 #12

I'm afraid I think Hirsi Ali is one of the few high-profile New Atheists who really is a bigot. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #17

"inherent in Islam" =/= "All muslims" Lordquinton Dec 2014 #42

It is the Aflek blunder. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #45

She is a classic case of the "new convert fanatic". Odin2005 Dec 2014 #24