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Thats my opinion

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Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:09 PM Mar 2012

Is there a place for religion in public life or in the political arena? [View all]

No Constitutional issue has generated more legal tangles than the words in the
First Amendment; “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The language states that there can be no governmentally authorized religion, but no restriction on its practice. The purposeful ambiguity has allowed courts to read into the words about anything society was feeling at the moment. Nevertheless, even given the fluidity of the language, there are boundaries. On one hand, it is clear that the United States has no official church. We are not legally a Christian nation. Those who want an authorized religion are always defeated in court. On the other hand those who hold that religion should play no public part in national affairs come off no better. Ambiguity seems to rule. Under God is in the Pledge of Allegiance. In God we trust is on our coins. We have chaplains in our armed forces, and even in Congress. I believe the courts have given a wink and a nod to these violations. On the other hand, officially sanctioned religious prayers in classrooms are forbidden.

Here is a contemporary question: what is the legal role of religion in political campaigns? Does a candidate have the Constitutional right to insert his or her private religious convictions into public pronouncements or campaign literature? If Rick Santorum publically says he wants the birth control issue to be part of his platform, that affirmation probably falls under the “free exercise” language. However, if the Catholic Bishops declare that the United States must bow to a religious edict and Congress goes along, that is clearly over the line.

Among a small group of Americans one hears the cry, “keep religion out of politics.” While for some that feels right, we still have the balance found in the First Amendment. Many of us on the political left fume when activists on the political right want to include, for instance, creationism in science classrooms. My guess is this political battle is to be fought at the local or state level. It is a matter for the people in a particular jurisdiction to decide. On the other hand, there are those who decry the incursion of such issues into the national debate. Would they have tried to keep Martin Luther King Jr. out of the civil rights struggle because he was an avowed Christian who believed that what he stood for flowed from his faith? Had his voice been eliminated on that basis, we would never have had a voting rights law. King’s effort clearly falls on the side of free exercise, but so does the argument of the creationists. The Constitution does not guarantee freedom from religion, but freedom of religion. Liberal churches these days are committed to certain social policies, and work to see that they are part off the national consensus. For example: the end of the death penalty. The full rights of gay and lesbian persons to marry. The end of torture as a national policy. Health care for all. A just immigration agenda. Strengthening the social safety net. An end to world hunger---and much more. Promoting these vital matters clearly fall on the free exercise side of the First Amendment.

There are nations which prohibit religious values from having any role in public affairs, but their governing documents are not like ours. For those who believe that religious convictions should have no role in national life, their only option is to seek a change in the Constitution. As of now, the free exercise clause does not prohibit religious groups from speaking in the public square.

Sectarianism has no valid place in our official governmental life. The Ten Commandments are not to be placed in our schoolrooms or on public property. Religious symbols, such as the cross, have no place on national shrines. Congress is prohibited from saying that any one religion or religion in general is the basis for any part of our official national life. Nevertheless, in The United States religion never has been simply a private affair. In the meantime many of us will grimace when some types of religious activities get intruded into our political campaigns, as politicians stand reverently while being prayed for by a religious authority. Although the Constitutional line may not be crossed in such pious displays, what is lost is any integrity religious people have left.

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Spiritual beliefs? Yes. Religion? Hell, no. kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #1
What makes a "spiritual" belief any different in this context... Silent3 Mar 2012 #4
People can HAVE their spiritual beliefs. They can't have laws that kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #12
This may be more complicated that it appears Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #13
I would ask why your spiritual beliefs lead to a proposition about health care. Jim__ Apr 2012 #18
Of course different people come to the same conclusion through differentd means. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #23
Nice of you to pass judgement skepticscott Apr 2012 #19
People can HAVE their religious beliefs. They can't (or at least shouldn't) have laws that.. Silent3 Mar 2012 #15
Of course--spiritual beliefs are just another way of saying religious commitments. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #16
I think the Constitutional balance is fair as well as a political football these days. pinto Mar 2012 #2
What is the difference rrneck Mar 2012 #3
Are these quesions for which you are looking for data? Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #24
I was looking for an answer. rrneck Apr 2012 #26
No Worried senior Mar 2012 #5
On the contrary izquierdista Mar 2012 #7
Well that certainly adds to an intelligent conversation Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #9
As much as Walls of Text. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #17
Freedom of choice vs. restrictive rules socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #6
The issue you raise is political--and you are on target. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #11
This notion is a relativiely new idea LARED Mar 2012 #8
Lots and lots of straw men...why? skepticscott Mar 2012 #10
Freedom of religion cannot exist without freedom from religion. laconicsax Mar 2012 #14
The obvious rrneck Apr 2012 #20
Don't hold your breath skepticscott Apr 2012 #21
Yep rrneck Apr 2012 #22
I answered your #3 Have a look --The last few words of this current post are "gotcha" words Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #25
I dont need a response. rrneck Apr 2012 #27
Amd by the way, rrneck Apr 2012 #28
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