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114. We're not talking about animal rights here.

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:54 AM

Dec 2014

I think you know that, but if you've interpreted this discussion the way your post implies, you should be out there demonstrating for Fido's "right" to eternal life.

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"Dogs in Heaven? Pope Francis Leaves Pearly Gate Open" [View all] Silent3 Dec 2014 OP

What about mosquitos? Ron Obvious Dec 2014 #1

One of the issues I always had with the concept of heaven cbayer Dec 2014 #4

I think all those little uncomplicated souls get recycled back to earth. hunter Dec 2014 #26

So they do promote Wall Street Bankers in the after life! iscooterliberally Dec 2014 #53

Small steps. hunter Dec 2014 #56

Shit. bvf Dec 2014 #2

Centipedes are Satan's pets. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #6

I am completely on board with that. n/t. bvf Dec 2014 #23

Just for you: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #96

Aw, that was sweet of you, Muriel. bvf Dec 2014 #115

Me too!! Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2014 #201

That's cool and harmless. cbayer Dec 2014 #3

Sure, the ones written that intentionally misconstrue or misrepresent his words DO read like that cleanhippie Dec 2014 #5

Harmless and absurd aren't mutually exclusive. Silent3 Dec 2014 #12

So what? If you don't believe in heaven, it makes no difference. cbayer Dec 2014 #20

Spending time with sick people doesn't require... Silent3 Dec 2014 #21

It most certainly require that at times, but it's all about definitions. cbayer Dec 2014 #27

Please do provide the necessary unprejudiced definitions... Silent3 Dec 2014 #70

Is there a problem with making the world safer for nicey-nice comforting cbayer Dec 2014 #71

Yes, there is a problem with that... Silent3 Dec 2014 #73

It's always such a delight talking with you Silent3. cbayer Dec 2014 #74

LOL.. whathehell Dec 2014 #75

Be kind. His polling place was recently moved to a church and cbayer Dec 2014 #76

Oh the horror! whathehell Dec 2014 #78

No, when she does it, it's tolerant and wonderful. trotsky Dec 2014 #22

and "comforting words for children" and "degraded" are not synonymous. whathehell Dec 2014 #44

Nor did what I posted depend on those words being synonymous... Silent3 Dec 2014 #72

Sure if we want a society of grownups who believe in fairy tales it is harmless. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #31

Um, you've not noticed that everyone doesn't considers the concept of God a "fairy tale"? whathehell Dec 2014 #48

A fairy tale is a fairy tale independent of the existence of Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #49

Wow...Is that the best you've got? whathehell Dec 2014 #57

Actually lets take a look at the crapfest of voodoo bullshit el popey was wading through. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #62

Let's not. Anyone who claims to want to 'discuss' something he's already whathehell Dec 2014 #64

Oh, it's not harmless. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #37

Maybe some could bag the snark long enough to appreciate the pope's kindness to a grieving child.. whathehell Dec 2014 #7

Really? Like that took a lot for him? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #11

Now that is a great idea! Let's give it a try. cbayer Dec 2014 #25

"Kindness"? bvf Dec 2014 #18

Yes, look it up. whathehell Dec 2014 #40

So did the pope lie to him? Lordquinton Dec 2014 #58

I'm not aware that there was any "dogma" regarding it to begin with.. whathehell Dec 2014 #61

The article states that it's a point of debate in the church Lordquinton Dec 2014 #80

The fact that it's still being debated whathehell Dec 2014 #82

Grown adults debate this. bvf Dec 2014 #91

Yeah.. whathehell Dec 2014 #95

But the pope is not debating the rights of animals muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #97

You can quote the pope's statement, but your dismissive assumption about whathehell Dec 2014 #98

So it's something we should all ignore, then muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #99

Actually, I'm less inclined than you, it seems, to decide what "we should all do". whathehell Dec 2014 #102

I alerted on its appearance in LBN, because it's not a news story muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #103

Tell it to the OP, dear, and whoever published the "not really news" story whathehell Dec 2014 #121

We're not talking about animal rights here. bvf Dec 2014 #114

Sorry, but "we" are not all atheists here, much as that clearly annoys you, and whathehell Dec 2014 #120

Uh, I didn't bring up animal rights. bvf Dec 2014 #123

Uh, I don't believe I indicated I had a problem with the topic, whathehell Dec 2014 #125

So how do you imagine bvf Dec 2014 #129

My dear, please check my posts whathehell Dec 2014 #135

I've been around long enough bvf Dec 2014 #136

No-one here is your 'dear' - not bvf, and not me muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #143

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #148

I encourage everyone to read post #148, to get the feel of whathehell's attitude muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #158

Almost seems as if there's a template. n/t. bvf Dec 2014 #172

Well unfortunately now skepticscott Dec 2014 #190

It is edhopper Dec 2014 #193

Wow, nice. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #208

And what about teddy bears and other stuffed animals? Silent3 Dec 2014 #205

For almost all of them they are doing so while munching away on one of these animals whose rights Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #127

LOL..You have stats on Vegan Catholics vs. Vegan Everyone Else? whathehell Dec 2014 #131

Is the pope a vegetarian? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #151

Uh, wrong pope.. whathehell Dec 2014 #154

A spiritual context? phil89 Dec 2014 #156

So if he stated it was true he would be attempting to change said dogma Lordquinton Dec 2014 #110

Whatever, Lord, lol.. whathehell Dec 2014 #119

He sometimes even preached to them: struggle4progress Dec 2014 #106

Excerpt that was Paul VI who did that, some time in the 60s or 70s muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #87

Not going to happen. It's a sport. cbayer Dec 2014 #24

So, uh, when you post that picture to badmouth others... trotsky Dec 2014 #29

I like that. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #30

Another quote bvf Dec 2014 #33

What about what we say about the IDEAS that other people hold? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #39

There are ways to comfort grieving people without lying to them. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #38

Apparently you couldn't skepticscott Dec 2014 #191

I believe my pets are coming with me to heaven. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #8

For what it's worth, I believe they are indeed going the same place you are. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #41

Yes. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #43

Here? Silent3 Dec 2014 #206

Well, you can't leave the Pearly Gates open like that! TlalocW Dec 2014 #9

Pearly Dog Doors? n/t Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #10

Call the Baja Men, we just found the man they are looking for Lordquinton Dec 2014 #59

Trosqui (2/2/2000 - 11/26/2014) stone space Dec 2014 #13

I am so sorry for your loss! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #14

Thank you. stone space Dec 2014 #15

It is so hard to lose a pet. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #16

What a little cutie that guy was. n/t Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #17

Beautiful. I have 3 rescue dogs. benz380 Dec 2014 #55

So sorry for the loss of your pup. okasha Dec 2014 #77

If only the "New Atheists" could be more intellectual. trotsky Dec 2014 #19

If only the Old and New could be more tolerant of the beliefs of others.. whathehell Dec 2014 #45

Yeah, *we're* the intolerant ones. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #47

For an example of being 'a tad less dickish', please see #148 (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #160

We'll add "the status of pets and farm animals in the afterlife" to the list of Serious Theology muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #163

Wow. After millions of years of past creatures, dinosaurs Lint Head Dec 2014 #28

Wow. That's a really narrow POV. cbayer Dec 2014 #32

Wow! You sure are knowledgeable about the specifics of Heaven and the Lint Head Dec 2014 #34

No, I know absolutely nothing about it, and wouldn't dare speculate on the size. cbayer Dec 2014 #35

Wow. bvf Dec 2014 #36

Where did I say I don't believe? Nowhere. You are making Lint Head Dec 2014 #50

I wasn't responding to you. bvf Dec 2014 #67

I see. I apologize. Lint Head Dec 2014 #81

Honest mistake. No foul. n/t bvf Dec 2014 #83

What did you expect, LOL? whathehell Dec 2014 #46

+2000 Lint Head Dec 2014 #51

Linthead, I think you may have misunderstood.. whathehell Dec 2014 #122

+3000 Lint Head Dec 2014 #142

"My experience is that there are more angry Christians" -- Not on this board! whathehell Dec 2014 #159

You must be referring to all those millions of Christians skepticscott Dec 2014 #66

Yes. bvf Dec 2014 #84

Gee, I missed the part that said "Our Father who art in the sky". rug Dec 2014 #86

Think christian iconography. bvf Dec 2014 #89

Think what you're saying. rug Dec 2014 #93

"You're free of course to keep the popular view, no matter how incorrect that may be." Lordquinton Dec 2014 #111

You know, changing my words to reflect what's in your head doesn't really work. rug Dec 2014 #126

Nobody changed your words. bvf Dec 2014 #183

You mean like, "You mean like . . . ." rug Dec 2014 #185

I am. bvf Dec 2014 #112

Are you certain or uncertain of your own view? rug Dec 2014 #130

As certain as science. bvf Dec 2014 #132

Science has no opinion on the attributes of heaven. rug Dec 2014 #134

Precisely. bvf Dec 2014 #137

Then your certainty must rest on something else. rug Dec 2014 #138

Why do you say that? bvf Dec 2014 #141

Because you agreed science is mute on the topic of this thread. rug Dec 2014 #144

Science is mute? bvf Dec 2014 #145

Science is mute on imaginary topics edhopper Dec 2014 #146

Science is mute on topics it is incompetent to address. rug Dec 2014 #150

So who is competent edhopper Dec 2014 #152

People who approach the subject honestly. rug Dec 2014 #153

Where do these honest people edhopper Dec 2014 #155

Philosophy, scriptures, physics, metaphysics. rug Dec 2014 #157

Which part of Aristotle edhopper Dec 2014 #161

Start with Book XII, substances and the prime mover. rug Dec 2014 #164

I think the idea of the prime mover edhopper Dec 2014 #166

Frankly, I'd prefer to reread Aristotle than to read a comment dismissing his ideas, for any reason, rug Dec 2014 #167

I have read Aridtotle edhopper Dec 2014 #175

Have a nice stroll. rug Dec 2014 #177

I explained my problem with your approach edhopper Dec 2014 #178

Life is full of dashed hopes. rug Dec 2014 #179

They might have been edhopper Dec 2014 #180

Of course it is on this topic. rug Dec 2014 #147

What about them? stone space Dec 2014 #90

You posted this same thing in reply skepticscott Dec 2014 #100

Do I have to remind you what you were whining about? stone space Dec 2014 #105

Do I have to remind you what I was responding to? skepticscott Dec 2014 #107

The video doesn't mention any "Sky Daddies". stone space Dec 2014 #108

Tell you what skepticscott Dec 2014 #109

OK, so you have no answer. stone space Dec 2014 #118

Sorry, were you still under the misbegotten impression skepticscott Dec 2014 #140

Our FATHER (daddy) who art in HEAVEN (sky) Silent3 Dec 2014 #186

Let me guess. They're waiting for a bolt of lightning... stone space Dec 2014 #192

That some people often recite prayers as if they were magical incantations... Silent3 Dec 2014 #194

Don't forget the billion-billion-trillions of bacteria. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #42

LOLOLOLOLOL! Lint Head Dec 2014 #52

Since this is DU and not a subreddit, this thread notwithstanding, I'll add this. rug Dec 2014 #54

What does it mean to me personally? Silent3 Dec 2014 #69

It is easy to dismiss but there should be a core understanding of it. rug Dec 2014 #85

Core understanding. Right. bvf Dec 2014 #88

Right. rug Dec 2014 #94

Right. bvf Dec 2014 #113

I see what your problem is. You don't know the difference between phrenology and theolgy. rug Dec 2014 #133

Perhaps you could enlighten me. bvf Dec 2014 #139

Hint: one concerns bumps. rug Dec 2014 #149

And...? bvf Dec 2014 #169

The path to enlightenment is trod by one's own feet. rug Dec 2014 #170

Been there. bvf Dec 2014 #174

There is a theory you may or may not have heard whathehell Dec 2014 #162

Hmm, outside of science fiction, no, I haven't. rug Dec 2014 #165

Some who believe in an afterlife whathehell Dec 2014 #168

No, dimensions, however many there may be, are natural phenomena, subject to natural examination. rug Dec 2014 #171

Sorry, but many things which were thought "supernatural" whathehell Dec 2014 #173

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is not a convincing argument. rug Dec 2014 #176

I'm not making a post hoc argument whathehell Dec 2014 #181

And it was Pope Paul VI, who died 36 years ago, who said it muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #60

It is part of the doctrine of papal in full of bullity. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #63

The Bull muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #65

Thank you for the clarification. n/t Silent3 Dec 2014 #68

I saw the movie when I was 5. Socal31 Dec 2014 #79

How about making this a fun thread! I will start. cbayer Dec 2014 #92

Okay! bvf Dec 2014 #117

I love that toon Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #187

It's a pretty perfect toon in many ways. cbayer Dec 2014 #189

And as usual, with everything the pope says skepticscott Dec 2014 #101

Looks more the "progressive" pope haters here are more agitated. rug Dec 2014 #104

That's politics, for you. bvf Dec 2014 #116

I fuckin hate these PR Pope articles... MellowDem Dec 2014 #124

Awww.. whathehell Dec 2014 #128

It had everything to do with Blank Frank's New and Improved Image skepticscott Dec 2014 #184

The Pope believes a lot of heinous shit... MellowDem Dec 2014 #199

This is one of those issues where the Church is mostly silent on it, so individual Catholics... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #182

I firmly believe I will see my cats again Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #188

It's one thing to wishfully hope for such things... Silent3 Dec 2014 #195

I'm not asking you to believe it Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #196

I never thought you were asking me to believe. That's irrelevant. Silent3 Dec 2014 #197

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #200

How is my commenting on what you stated as a belief any more a form of "pushing"... Silent3 Dec 2014 #203

Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence skepticscott Dec 2014 #198

I'll try to make this simple for you. Sareini Dec 2014 #204

Obviously you haven't any understanding skepticscott Dec 2014 #207

+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2014 #202