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Sweeney

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34. Tell me first the influence of China on the West.

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:21 AM

Dec 2014

Tell me the influence of The Arabs or the Muslims in Spain on Christian Music before there were Muslims, or Muslims in Spain. You folks are confusing chronologies, and expecting cultural forms to cover vast distances through hostile territory to affect us. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Try to read the post. Christian music was the beginning of rhymed music. The Rhyme was a Druids curse, and you see that in spells and charms even today. They certainly had poetry before, held together by metre; but it rarely rhymed. And they naturally had music. Christianity brought together new forms of thinking and feeling, and also the need to express what was essentially inconceivable and they did it in new ways unique to them.

People act like Christianity simply took over. They were very much a revolution spanning centuries, and if it was not all that violent at times, it was a struggle for hearts and minds that is still going on today. And there are many reasons they are losing it, and one is their inability to conceptualize and rationalize their religion.

Don't fall into the same trap. One thing leads to another, cause and effect. If your cause has no effect, your effect will not be to be the cause of any other effect.

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Feed your head. (Jefferson Airplane, White Rabbit) [View all] pinto Dec 2014 OP

All that effort just to tell people to go visit their local library? Hoppy Dec 2014 #1

Effort ??? SamKnause Dec 2014 #3

Ya think singing like that is easy? Hoppy Dec 2014 #6

Every time I try, a bunch of male water buffalo come pawing at my front yard. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #10

Nostalgia time. okasha Dec 2014 #2

I was just telling my brother SamKnause Dec 2014 #4

I wish I could stand it. Sweeney Dec 2014 #7

Blue Man Group does a version of this song live, with Tracy Bonham on vocals. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #11

That's an interesting cover, I like it Fumesucker Dec 2014 #13

Wow, that was really good. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #16

The Voice That Launched 1000 Trips... likesmountains 52 Dec 2014 #5

Saw her live once, with starship Sweeney Dec 2014 #8

She had gone to Finch College with Nixon's daughter. rug Dec 2014 #14

She had gone to Finch Gollege with Nixon's daughter Sweeney Dec 2014 #21

Wait, you thought it appropriate to lock a thread about Satan in this venue as off topic AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #9

my guess would be to establish a need for hosts. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #15

LOL. Just a goof off post. Thought the theme kinda, sorta fit the group. pinto Dec 2014 #18

My cooking is good for a free trip to the toilet. Sweeney Dec 2014 #22

I thought "feed your head'' was not just about knowledge, but what we use to gain knowledge. YOHABLO Dec 2014 #12

I saw Gracie Slick live only once. It was in Grant Park in Chicago when things cbayer Dec 2014 #17

Never saw her live. Had a chance to once. My aunt and brother were part of the Sausalito scene. pinto Dec 2014 #19

It was a great time in so many ways, particularly the music. cbayer Dec 2014 #20

Did he have extras? Sweeney Dec 2014 #24

Did you walk home rich, or high? Sweeney Dec 2014 #23

Neither rich nor high. cbayer Dec 2014 #30

Been there a few times with wife and children. Sweeney Dec 2014 #40

I find them equally wonderful but very different. cbayer Dec 2014 #41

I am afraid I would. Sweeney Dec 2014 #44

What does this have to do with religion? mr blur Dec 2014 #25

Music and drugs Sweeney Dec 2014 #26

"We would not even have rhymed music with out the influence of Christianity." trotsky Dec 2014 #27

Sorry: Only telling you what did happen. Sweeney Dec 2014 #28

Indeed. trotsky Dec 2014 #29

I can as easily say: Sweeney Dec 2014 #32

Wow, doubling down. trotsky Dec 2014 #33

Consider the percentage in Europe educated by the church. Sweeney Dec 2014 #37

Because, by your "logic," if the church hadn't been there... trotsky Dec 2014 #38

In Europe, and because of Christianity, education languished. Sweeney Dec 2014 #43

Again, you seem very confused about what did happen versus what could have happened. trotsky Dec 2014 #106

It is hard enough to know what happened. Sweeney Dec 2014 #108

That's a lovely piece which does nothing to address what I said. trotsky Dec 2014 #109

Sir; intelligence is insight, and insight is intelligence Sweeney Dec 2014 #114

"if you have it you have it, and if you don't you don't" trotsky Dec 2014 #116

If the conclusion is wrong it should not be hard to disprove. Sweeney Dec 2014 #117

Sorry, that's not how it works. trotsky Dec 2014 #118

I offer evidence and a theory. Sweeney Dec 2014 #119

Your theory is unproven. trotsky Dec 2014 #120

Sir; Atomic theory is unproven. Sweeney Dec 2014 #123

But what atomic theory, evolution, gravity, etc. have that your theory does not... trotsky Dec 2014 #126

Quotation post 102 Sweeney Dec 2014 #127

I am unable to see post 102 on this thread. trotsky Dec 2014 #128

About a third of the way from the bottom? Read me? Sweeney Dec 2014 #129

Interesting. okasha Dec 2014 #131

It is the closest cultural link we have. Sweeney Dec 2014 #132

I have an invisible dragon in my living room. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #122

Who is trying? Sweeney Dec 2014 #124

Even today many are illiterate. Sweeney Dec 2014 #39

Since it seems to be your argument that without Christianity, we'd all be illiterate... trotsky Dec 2014 #42

You miss my point. Sweeney Dec 2014 #47

You'll get no argument from me that it's "the way in which it happened." trotsky Dec 2014 #105

You do know that rhyming goes back to China about 10 centuries before Christ? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #31

Tell me first the influence of China on the West. Sweeney Dec 2014 #34

Well, that's a fascinating backpedal. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #35

"Tell me first the influence of China on the West." THAT'S YOUR ARGUMENT? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #46

It took a long time for any in the West to reach China. Sweeney Dec 2014 #48

I will say this of the Arab Poets. Sweeney Dec 2014 #36

I will say this of the Arab poets: Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #45

You see sir; that I can tell you that effect almost to the letter. Sweeney Dec 2014 #49

Yes, they were. okasha Dec 2014 #51

I believe that Muslim Spain had the greatest influence. Sweeney Dec 2014 #66

I agree that there was Andalusian influence, okasha Dec 2014 #73

Aristophanes. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #57

All totally irrelevant, okasha Dec 2014 #59

You and your buddy are arguing an untenable point Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #64

Sir; it is not just about the rhyme. Sweeney Dec 2014 #68

I have no idea why you and your buddies okasha Dec 2014 #74

LOL. This thread is hilarious. Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #89

Feliz navidad, ST, okasha Dec 2014 #91

You are entirely welcome to your opinion. Sweeney Dec 2014 #60

"We would not even have rhymed music with out the influence of Christianity" Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #61

"Very little that was Greek in origin got into the Latin Church" Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #63

Aristophas' rhymes were few and internal. okasha Dec 2014 #75

The Wasp was written in rhymed verse. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #77

It's The Wasps, not The Wasp. okasha Dec 2014 #80

Oh I forgot an 's' - ouch, my bad. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #84

Ah so there were in fact rhymes, just not the sort your new BFF wants to claim Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #93

Oh Warren! Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #90

Anyone claiming native americans are "savages" is not a person you should Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #92

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #137

out of my league? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #138

The important thing is we are objecting to it. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #139

So where is the knowledge that rhyme wouldn't have happened without Christianity? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #94

I'm glad to know that reading a book is superior to actually doing something for a living Lordquinton Dec 2014 #95

Actually; if You read; The Rhyme is the name of a Druid's curse. Sweeney Dec 2014 #99

But that is only half the argument. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #110

Sir; if you take Poe for an example Sweeney Dec 2014 #112

Hey Tacky, so glad of you to join us! Lordquinton Dec 2014 #96

"Abroad of the subject..." okasha Dec 2014 #97

snicker Sweeney Dec 2014 #100

The transition to Medieval Latin Poetry Sweeney Dec 2014 #102

�So glad of you to join us�? WTF does that mean? Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #136

Glad to know that's the game you are playing. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #140

Never said they are savages, said they were, and it fits the definition they posted. Sweeney Dec 2014 #98

Niceties like verb tense are simply too complicated for some folk. okasha Dec 2014 #101

I have an Angel Sweeney Dec 2014 #103

You said you grew up around Mohawk native americans Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #107

Worked with Mohawks and other six nation Iroquois Sweeney Dec 2014 #111

We were all savages at one time or another. Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #125

Now you've done it. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #50

Pointing it's contribution out is fine, and not controversial. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #52

I tend to agree that most any innovation would have come about sooner or later. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #54

Religion is a channel by which humans invest time and effort. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #55

There are a lot of dead lakes in history. Sweeney Dec 2014 #69

You might not personally approve of the current sense AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #79

We have gone through the age of reason and reason has left the stage. Sweeney Dec 2014 #83

That's a lovely wall of text. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #87

The problem my friend Sweeney Dec 2014 #88

No SKP it was the assertion that it "would not have happened without christianity" that is bullshit. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #62

It is after all, only an assertion. If I am wrong; prove it. Sweeney Dec 2014 #70

It has been amply demonstrated that christianity was not required. nt. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #78

What absolute drivel. mr blur Dec 2014 #141

Where? Sweeney Dec 2014 #142

consider post 102 Sweeney Dec 2014 #143

You would have had to be there. To many of us upaloopa Dec 2014 #56

I'd rather eat pure poison than take nostalgia Sweeney Dec 2014 #82

acid indigestion? mitchtv Dec 2014 #53

Electric Hot Tuna!!!!! Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #58

Jorma Kaukonen and Janis Joplin Jim__ Dec 2014 #67

That is the only girl Sweeney Dec 2014 #72

This thread is turning into a bad trip. rug Dec 2014 #65

If its drugs you'll get over it. Sweeney Dec 2014 #71

The music posts are great. okasha Dec 2014 #76

Dancing Queen pinto Dec 2014 #81

"Drugs will get you through times of no money... GliderGuider Dec 2014 #85

Furious Freak Brothers Sweeney Dec 2014 #86

Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, actually. mr blur Dec 2014 #113

Only been over forty years since I loaned mine out. Sweeney Dec 2014 #115

love the music. don't give a damn if it's posted in DesertFlower Dec 2014 #104

jefferson airplane - the woodstock experience wilt the stilt Dec 2014 #130

I really liked Janis Joplin Sweeney Dec 2014 #133

I saw Janis three times, and Airplane once. kwassa Dec 2014 #134

I loved that girl. Sweeney Dec 2014 #135