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Sweeney

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60. You are entirely welcome to your opinion.

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 04:40 PM

Dec 2014

Very little that was Greek in origin got into the Latin Church, with the exception of the Bible itself. It has been a while since I read the approximate dates; but for the longest time, all the church had of Greek Philosophy was part of Plato's writing. I am aware that very little of Greek poetry was rhymed. I have the book I have been reading less than two feet away, and I can re-read, and quote what it says. Don't look at me as some edgified fool. I may be a fool, but I am not educated. I have only read a lot of books.

Still; I am willing to show some direct connection between early church Hymns moving into Western Music generally. These other influences are peripheral at best; but If you can show me any sort of direct link, I will thank you for the education and get about my business. I don't mind being proved wrong. I rather like it. How else is a person, like myself who has only read for his knowledge ever going to know his weaknesses if they are not pointed out to him? Point away.

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Feed your head. (Jefferson Airplane, White Rabbit) [View all] pinto Dec 2014 OP

All that effort just to tell people to go visit their local library? Hoppy Dec 2014 #1

Effort ??? SamKnause Dec 2014 #3

Ya think singing like that is easy? Hoppy Dec 2014 #6

Every time I try, a bunch of male water buffalo come pawing at my front yard. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #10

Nostalgia time. okasha Dec 2014 #2

I was just telling my brother SamKnause Dec 2014 #4

I wish I could stand it. Sweeney Dec 2014 #7

Blue Man Group does a version of this song live, with Tracy Bonham on vocals. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #11

That's an interesting cover, I like it Fumesucker Dec 2014 #13

Wow, that was really good. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #16

The Voice That Launched 1000 Trips... likesmountains 52 Dec 2014 #5

Saw her live once, with starship Sweeney Dec 2014 #8

She had gone to Finch College with Nixon's daughter. rug Dec 2014 #14

She had gone to Finch Gollege with Nixon's daughter Sweeney Dec 2014 #21

Wait, you thought it appropriate to lock a thread about Satan in this venue as off topic AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #9

my guess would be to establish a need for hosts. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #15

LOL. Just a goof off post. Thought the theme kinda, sorta fit the group. pinto Dec 2014 #18

My cooking is good for a free trip to the toilet. Sweeney Dec 2014 #22

I thought "feed your head'' was not just about knowledge, but what we use to gain knowledge. YOHABLO Dec 2014 #12

I saw Gracie Slick live only once. It was in Grant Park in Chicago when things cbayer Dec 2014 #17

Never saw her live. Had a chance to once. My aunt and brother were part of the Sausalito scene. pinto Dec 2014 #19

It was a great time in so many ways, particularly the music. cbayer Dec 2014 #20

Did he have extras? Sweeney Dec 2014 #24

Did you walk home rich, or high? Sweeney Dec 2014 #23

Neither rich nor high. cbayer Dec 2014 #30

Been there a few times with wife and children. Sweeney Dec 2014 #40

I find them equally wonderful but very different. cbayer Dec 2014 #41

I am afraid I would. Sweeney Dec 2014 #44

What does this have to do with religion? mr blur Dec 2014 #25

Music and drugs Sweeney Dec 2014 #26

"We would not even have rhymed music with out the influence of Christianity." trotsky Dec 2014 #27

Sorry: Only telling you what did happen. Sweeney Dec 2014 #28

Indeed. trotsky Dec 2014 #29

I can as easily say: Sweeney Dec 2014 #32

Wow, doubling down. trotsky Dec 2014 #33

Consider the percentage in Europe educated by the church. Sweeney Dec 2014 #37

Because, by your "logic," if the church hadn't been there... trotsky Dec 2014 #38

In Europe, and because of Christianity, education languished. Sweeney Dec 2014 #43

Again, you seem very confused about what did happen versus what could have happened. trotsky Dec 2014 #106

It is hard enough to know what happened. Sweeney Dec 2014 #108

That's a lovely piece which does nothing to address what I said. trotsky Dec 2014 #109

Sir; intelligence is insight, and insight is intelligence Sweeney Dec 2014 #114

"if you have it you have it, and if you don't you don't" trotsky Dec 2014 #116

If the conclusion is wrong it should not be hard to disprove. Sweeney Dec 2014 #117

Sorry, that's not how it works. trotsky Dec 2014 #118

I offer evidence and a theory. Sweeney Dec 2014 #119

Your theory is unproven. trotsky Dec 2014 #120

Sir; Atomic theory is unproven. Sweeney Dec 2014 #123

But what atomic theory, evolution, gravity, etc. have that your theory does not... trotsky Dec 2014 #126

Quotation post 102 Sweeney Dec 2014 #127

I am unable to see post 102 on this thread. trotsky Dec 2014 #128

About a third of the way from the bottom? Read me? Sweeney Dec 2014 #129

Interesting. okasha Dec 2014 #131

It is the closest cultural link we have. Sweeney Dec 2014 #132

I have an invisible dragon in my living room. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #122

Who is trying? Sweeney Dec 2014 #124

Even today many are illiterate. Sweeney Dec 2014 #39

Since it seems to be your argument that without Christianity, we'd all be illiterate... trotsky Dec 2014 #42

You miss my point. Sweeney Dec 2014 #47

You'll get no argument from me that it's "the way in which it happened." trotsky Dec 2014 #105

You do know that rhyming goes back to China about 10 centuries before Christ? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #31

Tell me first the influence of China on the West. Sweeney Dec 2014 #34

Well, that's a fascinating backpedal. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #35

"Tell me first the influence of China on the West." THAT'S YOUR ARGUMENT? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #46

It took a long time for any in the West to reach China. Sweeney Dec 2014 #48

I will say this of the Arab Poets. Sweeney Dec 2014 #36

I will say this of the Arab poets: Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #45

You see sir; that I can tell you that effect almost to the letter. Sweeney Dec 2014 #49

Yes, they were. okasha Dec 2014 #51

I believe that Muslim Spain had the greatest influence. Sweeney Dec 2014 #66

I agree that there was Andalusian influence, okasha Dec 2014 #73

Aristophanes. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #57

All totally irrelevant, okasha Dec 2014 #59

You and your buddy are arguing an untenable point Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #64

Sir; it is not just about the rhyme. Sweeney Dec 2014 #68

I have no idea why you and your buddies okasha Dec 2014 #74

LOL. This thread is hilarious. Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #89

Feliz navidad, ST, okasha Dec 2014 #91

You are entirely welcome to your opinion. Sweeney Dec 2014 #60

"We would not even have rhymed music with out the influence of Christianity" Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #61

"Very little that was Greek in origin got into the Latin Church" Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #63

Aristophas' rhymes were few and internal. okasha Dec 2014 #75

The Wasp was written in rhymed verse. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #77

It's The Wasps, not The Wasp. okasha Dec 2014 #80

Oh I forgot an 's' - ouch, my bad. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #84

Ah so there were in fact rhymes, just not the sort your new BFF wants to claim Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #93

Oh Warren! Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #90

Anyone claiming native americans are "savages" is not a person you should Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #92

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #137

out of my league? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #138

The important thing is we are objecting to it. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #139

So where is the knowledge that rhyme wouldn't have happened without Christianity? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #94

I'm glad to know that reading a book is superior to actually doing something for a living Lordquinton Dec 2014 #95

Actually; if You read; The Rhyme is the name of a Druid's curse. Sweeney Dec 2014 #99

But that is only half the argument. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #110

Sir; if you take Poe for an example Sweeney Dec 2014 #112

Hey Tacky, so glad of you to join us! Lordquinton Dec 2014 #96

"Abroad of the subject..." okasha Dec 2014 #97

snicker Sweeney Dec 2014 #100

The transition to Medieval Latin Poetry Sweeney Dec 2014 #102

�So glad of you to join us�? WTF does that mean? Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #136

Glad to know that's the game you are playing. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #140

Never said they are savages, said they were, and it fits the definition they posted. Sweeney Dec 2014 #98

Niceties like verb tense are simply too complicated for some folk. okasha Dec 2014 #101

I have an Angel Sweeney Dec 2014 #103

You said you grew up around Mohawk native americans Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #107

Worked with Mohawks and other six nation Iroquois Sweeney Dec 2014 #111

We were all savages at one time or another. Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #125

Now you've done it. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #50

Pointing it's contribution out is fine, and not controversial. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #52

I tend to agree that most any innovation would have come about sooner or later. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #54

Religion is a channel by which humans invest time and effort. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #55

There are a lot of dead lakes in history. Sweeney Dec 2014 #69

You might not personally approve of the current sense AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #79

We have gone through the age of reason and reason has left the stage. Sweeney Dec 2014 #83

That's a lovely wall of text. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #87

The problem my friend Sweeney Dec 2014 #88

No SKP it was the assertion that it "would not have happened without christianity" that is bullshit. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #62

It is after all, only an assertion. If I am wrong; prove it. Sweeney Dec 2014 #70

It has been amply demonstrated that christianity was not required. nt. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #78

What absolute drivel. mr blur Dec 2014 #141

Where? Sweeney Dec 2014 #142

consider post 102 Sweeney Dec 2014 #143

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"Drugs will get you through times of no money... GliderGuider Dec 2014 #85

Furious Freak Brothers Sweeney Dec 2014 #86

Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, actually. mr blur Dec 2014 #113

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I saw Janis three times, and Airplane once. kwassa Dec 2014 #134

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