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143. I certainly do hope that believers and non-believers can stand together

Tue Dec 30, 2014, 06:18 PM

Dec 2014

against the religious right. What I am saying is that I don't see enough speaking out against the fundamentalists here, and more importantly, out in the world. Even if the believers who are not fanatics are here on DU, this is not really the place where change will take place. That has to happen when they challenge the fundies in the real world---in the streets, in their churches, in discussions with others. It is very easy to say anything on an anonymous board. I see too many people who do not come out against religion in the public venues. They are either afraid to be labeled as anti-religion, even if they are believers, or they see no problem to be concerned with.

I may be making assumptions, but I have a basis for it. I do not see enough liberal Christians willing to take a stand against the right wing fundamentalists, with the exception of maybe the Westboro nuts. They either make excuses, they say that it is no big deal, or they agree with the stand of the religious extremists. Take as an example crosses or nativities on government property, and how many liberals think that this is ok and we are whiners.....I hear this all the time IRL. This is the reason that I suggest that they are allowing the religious right to flourish.

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10 Things I wish the Atheists at DU knew about Theists at DU (at least this one) [View all] TexasProgresive Dec 2014 OP

One item to note: trotsky Dec 2014 #1

Did you make the same objections to this post? TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Dec 2014 #7

Why should I? It's not written by a DUer, or specifically addressing DU theists. trotsky Dec 2014 #9

One could assume that mr blur was in agreement with what he posted. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #10

One could assume that? Really? trotsky Dec 2014 #13

Not angry, it was just a PSA receive it if you want or not. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #50

I love the post, TexasProgressive. I hate broad brush roguevalley Dec 2014 #129

The post you love WAS a broad brush. trotsky Dec 2014 #132

One could, but one would be wrong. mr blur Dec 2014 #77

Well no, I do not know as you did not TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #82

'If you are only speaking for yourself, you should change the pronouns from "we" to "I." ' rug Dec 2014 #24

seemed like just MFM008 Dec 2014 #139

Hostile and combative is his MO. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #140

Lol! rug Dec 2014 #146

Says the guy who calls Mary a rape victim. LOL Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #272

That's not hostility, it's an observation of a double standard. rug Dec 2014 #145

Why didn't you say that to the OP? Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #190

Because the OP didn't say that. rug Dec 2014 #194

OP didn't say "we" Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #196

Well, WRT point #9 in March 2013 Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #90

Sorry FA, you completely nuked any credibility you might have had. trotsky Dec 2014 #91

Translation: I am mot going to respond, and it's your fault I won't Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #100

Thank you for posting this! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #2

Well done. I think that the great majority of atheists already know much of what you are saying. cbayer Dec 2014 #3

"Religion isn't going anywhere." False. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #66

Has any atheist on DU made statements or claim contrary to what you posted? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #5

see post 4 TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #6

I hadn't seen it yet, and that post is not a DU'er posting about themselves, its an article. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #8

See response 9 TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #11

Has any atheist on DU made statements or claim contrary to what you posted? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #12

Pretty simple question to answer, I thought. trotsky Dec 2014 #14

It's really weird. He is going to great lengths to avoid answering a simple question cleanhippie Dec 2014 #19

Exactly. Why wish for something you already have? trotsky Dec 2014 #20

What don't you understand about wishes? TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #16

You charged ALL DU atheists with not knowing the things you posted. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #18

Yes you have. Leontius Dec 2014 #128

Incoherence seems to be your stong point. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #131

What don't you understand about Hamlet? mr blur Dec 2014 #39

This is lame. If you are going to post an op don't defend it with "see response x". Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #23

What percentage do you say have? rug Dec 2014 #25

I can't say. can you? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #34

Do you say most or less than most? rug Dec 2014 #37

I answered your question. Kindly answer mine. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #38

Actually, you said you can't say. rug Dec 2014 #81

Do you have any actual proof for your claim that most 'theists' are not homophobic? World events Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #15

Perhaps you didn't read where I was referring to DU theist TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #17

who has claimed all theists are homophobic? that is a strawman. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #22

Looks like #15 is implyimg most are. Do you agree with that? rug Dec 2014 #26

Depends on context, I would say worldwide, most people, theist or atheist are homophobic... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #30

So, you believe most theists outside "the West" are homophobic? rug Dec 2014 #35

Yes, but not just theists, atheists as well, yes, and yes. Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #118

Then that would be cultural, would it not? rug Dec 2014 #147

In some cases yes, in others no, and most are a mix... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #185

In fairness, the only person I've seen here openly spouting homophobic talking points AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #69

Thank you for posting that TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #72

That said, the poster in question is constantly interposing himself between theists and atheists AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #78

keep going, you're on a roll Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #273

The adults in the room know a right-wing anti-same-sex marriage talking point when they hear one. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #274

Except that is not what I am saying, and you know it. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #275

Math is hard. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #277

LARED and humblebum are PPRed former DUers... trotsky Dec 2014 #98

Thanks for posting. i did not know why they were banned. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #99

there was at least one theist here who agreed that his beliefs included LGBT people Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #124

I disagree Lordquinton Dec 2014 #178

Good point. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #276

Oh wow, and people wonder why we consider relgious faith self-delusion. That 'mother' was well AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #281

There are far more progressive theists then you realize? Where, here on DU? Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #21

From some of your past posts, Warren TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #28

I don't think King was either lying or stupid, I think he was a smart person who both Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #59

Using the rhetoric of belief to further and agenda is lying. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #70

uh no it isn't. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #71

Either Dr. King knew what he was doing TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #80

No I've already said that I think King was a believer and that he also Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #88

That would be an abuse of belief. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #96

So you are claiming that anyone promoting progressive values using the rhetoric Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #117

Thanks for the work Texas. Ink Man Dec 2014 #158

Gracias, Ink Man TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #173

Still waiting, Warren, stupid or lying, which is it? TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #33

Has any atheist on DU made statements or claim contrary to what you posted? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #36

Are you, Warren? If so answer the question, stupid or lying. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #40

You answer the question. Has any atheist on DU made statements or claim contrary to what you posted? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #42

Yes cleanhippie is warren. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #62

No, *I'M* Spartacus! AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #75

Invalid bifurcation fallacy is invalid. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #74

From what Warren posted in the previous thread TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #86

First of all - it was not my article, I reposted it. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #116

intellectually naive or dishonest. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #56

Apparently, Warren, you have not read my posts on LGBTQMOUSE rights and reproductive rights Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #102

Apparently you think I said "all". Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #112

Why would Warren care about how you feel about LGBTQ rodents? DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #150

your statement number one may apply to theists on du, but it certainly does NOT apply to niyad Dec 2014 #27

Never said it did - this is in reference to theist at DU-and not the inevitable troll TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #29

If any DU theist is offended by the we let them post. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #32

The only thing offensive about your post is it's blatant dishonesty. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #41

This is a great thread Texas! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #43

The only nerve here is the nerve to post blatantly dishonest diatribes. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #45

Perception and where that leads, both here on DU and in society at large, are key, imo. pinto Dec 2014 #44

Thank you, pinto. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #46

Has any atheist on DU made statements or claim contrary to what you posted? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #48

Nice sentiments, but has nothing to with the assertions the OP makes. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #47

If the shoe fits, cleanhippie, wear it. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #49

So am I to assume that any time an atheist says something about a theist... trotsky Dec 2014 #51

It appears that you are the one on the offensive. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #53

Actually, he's asking for more information. Not a retraction jeff47 Dec 2014 #60

Yeah, imagine that. trotsky Dec 2014 #68

The only shoes are the ones on YOUR feet. You make blatantly false accusations then blame cleanhippie Dec 2014 #52

Can't speak for the poster. The OP spurred some general issues for me, wanted to comment from there. pinto Dec 2014 #55

So you want atheists to not use a broad brush, yet you use a massively broad brush jeff47 Dec 2014 #54

Do you think that if he had worded this differently, it might have gotten a different reaction. cbayer Dec 2014 #85

"From what I know of this member, he is responding to that." trotsky Dec 2014 #92

I think he's passive-agressively attacking. jeff47 Dec 2014 #101

I am reading this from my own unique perspective and not cbayer Dec 2014 #103

I agree with your statement. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #104

But he has definitely triggered a strong response in this member who is not a regular, cbayer Dec 2014 #109

Well i think it is good to explore his views. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #110

Not posting often does not mean not a regular. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2014 #114

True, but I understood what justin meant by regular. cbayer Dec 2014 #120

Thanks for that...Jeff haikugal Dec 2014 #266

If the great majority don't believe in the list, why make it? jeff47 Dec 2014 #106

I think you have a point about who this should be addressed to. cbayer Dec 2014 #111

Under God. jeff47 Dec 2014 #113

The survey that you are citing about the pledge is from 2004. cbayer Dec 2014 #125

I'm supposed to be buoyed by 77% becoming 79%? jeff47 Dec 2014 #130

Sorry, you are making the point of the OP and it is becoming increasingly clear to me why cbayer Dec 2014 #137

!!! trotsky Dec 2014 #141

It's as if she is totally unable to see herself in her own words. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #142

Nope, but good job trying to steer it that way jeff47 Dec 2014 #197

I don't recall having had a chat with you before. cbayer Dec 2014 #199

One of the things about having a sig is it makes you more memorable. jeff47 Dec 2014 #221

Sorry, I can't deal with the block quotes anymore. cbayer Dec 2014 #224

How DARE I make it clear what I'm responding to. jeff47 Dec 2014 #268

It's annoying and not conducive to conversation. cbayer Dec 2014 #269

I wanted to look more closely at the two surveys we are discussing cbayer Dec 2014 #144

cbayer, one of your favorite sayings has been the old... trotsky Dec 2014 #115

Damn that's a succinct summary of the 10 points. trotsky Dec 2014 #105

/hat tip (nt) jeff47 Dec 2014 #107

I will tell you what bothers me here. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #57

How 'bout when they don't know the answer? jeff47 Dec 2014 #63

I wasn't talking about you. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #64

No, you were talking about the horrors of repeatedly asking questions. jeff47 Dec 2014 #76

You try having the same questions about why you pray by the same people here. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #79

You think I haven't? jeff47 Dec 2014 #84

I am just not answering certain posters right now because it is tense in this room. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #89

"I am sick and tired of being abused here". Puh-LEASE! cleanhippie Dec 2014 #97

It is very clear. Justin wants to say "I prayed" Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #168

No I just don't think I need to be asked this question all the time when you know the answer. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #169

Then you know what? Don't mention your prayer activity on a discussion board, Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #172

Prayer is part of religion so you shouldn't tell him not to mebntion it in here. rug Dec 2014 #174

I will mention what I like just like you will. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #175

Yeah we know, we've seen the way you run that other place. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #119

interfaith will never be this room nor will the hosts ever allow it. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #121

I thought you were out of this thread due to all the abuse. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #122

no you thought wrong. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #123

So when you said that you were lying? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #133

That's because this isn't an echo chamber like interfaith. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #134

Oh, you have no problems at all with echo chambers. You just don't like those echoes. rug Dec 2014 #152

Lol, and "we've" seen how you run that other place. rug Dec 2014 #154

As an "Athiest at DU" I have to say that I didn't know that I didn't know these things corkhead Dec 2014 #58

Well, we apparently are utter morons completely incapable of understanding nuance jeff47 Dec 2014 #67

"But hey, apparently that's part of not viewing atheists as enemies." trotsky Dec 2014 #73

Who is 'we'? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #61

We is DU theists- haven't seen any disagreement from them yet. TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #83

As one who is more agnostic than anything else lark Dec 2014 #65

Starting at the top LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #87

Well put, LostOne4Ever. trotsky Dec 2014 #93

+1000! The best part of your post is " Has anyone here on DU done that?" cleanhippie Dec 2014 #94

Excellent rebuttal. Curmudgeoness Dec 2014 #108

So when believers here do speak out, will you support them and give them credit? cbayer Dec 2014 #126

I certainly do hope that believers and non-believers can stand together Curmudgeoness Dec 2014 #143

OK, well the change starts at home cbayer Dec 2014 #148

Is the lecture over now? Curmudgeoness Dec 2014 #167

If you want the "lecture" to be over, then all you have to do is stop responding. cbayer Dec 2014 #170

The lecture will never be over. PassingFair Jan 2015 #282

Ah, that's so nice of you. I am not one to give up, that's for sure. cbayer Jan 2015 #283

Really? All of us are afraid to stand up to right-wing Christians? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #127

Some atheists are unable to understand the difference between personal faith and belief Maedhros Dec 2014 #138

I actually think Dorian Gray Dec 2014 #187

Great job! Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #179

I wish you would provide evidence to support your assertions about DU atheists. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #95

Do you presume that people only have arguments with people they consider bad people? Silent3 Dec 2014 #135

I challenge those who have rec'ed this post to show examples of DU atheists doing ANY cleanhippie Dec 2014 #136

Start here. The thread is still young. rug Dec 2014 #149

Still stalking groups your banned from, huh? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #155

Lol! What's sad is that thread. rug Dec 2014 #156

You've done it repeatedly. Leontius Dec 2014 #151

Where? Saying so is one thing, and easy. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #153

"adherents" rug Dec 2014 #157

I don't know which is more disturbing, that you have so many of my posts bookmarked cleanhippie Dec 2014 #159

They're not bookmarked, a simple DU search. rug Dec 2014 #171

I do have to say the flying spaghetti monster posts do bother me a bit. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #160

Me too LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #161

I prefer regular spaghetti to thin myself. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #162

So long as it is a good marinara I am happy LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #163

Had ravioli myself tonight. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #164

Lucky you LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #165

The bread is a killer for calories. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #166

Are you a christian? Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #176

I am a Christian and believe some of the bible literally. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #177

I am curious why only some and not all of the bible literally? Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #180

I believe the bible is divinely inspired but not the literal word of God. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #181

If the bible is devinely inspired, should we use it to determine matters of law? Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #182

I believe in the seperation of church and state. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #183

Nice. But, the idea is to keep the religious from DU and Dems. Festivito Dec 2014 #184

Found your list uninformative. Jappleseed Dec 2014 #186

I wish the atheists at DU weren't so aggressive Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #188

I wish the exact same thing about believers at DU. trotsky Dec 2014 #189

Fair point Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #191

I don't think the atheists of DU are aggressive. cbayer Dec 2014 #192

Yes, the aggressiveness of some of the atheists in this room does take me back at times. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #193

And some of the theists here are extremely aggressive and insulting toward non-believers. mr blur Dec 2014 #213

Yes, some are Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #218

The fact that this even needs to be said tells you how bad things have gotten here. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #195

Yes, being asked uncomfortable questions on a message board is exactly like getting fired. jeff47 Dec 2014 #198

I am gay so don't pull that on me. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #200

Your responses don't bother me. Why ignore them? jeff47 Dec 2014 #201

Do you read this forum often? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #204

Semi-regularly. Not frequently enough to be familiar with anyone jeff47 Dec 2014 #205

Oh, ouch! Somebody get me a band-aid! cbayer Dec 2014 #207

Guess what? It's not about you. jeff47 Dec 2014 #212

Oops! Wrong assumption on my part. cbayer Dec 2014 #215

Well i as a regular can tell you that I am sick and tired of taking the bait from some members hrmjustin Dec 2014 #208

K, now imagine the questions are from your boss instead. jeff47 Dec 2014 #211

I have no doubt that you and the other atheists of this board are discriminated against irl. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #217

DU exists within real life. Real life is why we are here jeff47 Dec 2014 #222

i am sick of; hrmjustin Dec 2014 #227

I am sorry you feel that way. I really am. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #231

I live in NYC. I know more atheists than I know believers. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #233

There will always be trolls who violate safe havens LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #239

There is different opinions as to whether it needs to be changed. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #241

It is interesting that you use the word irreligious. cbayer Dec 2014 #244

Maybe LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #245

The name could be changed and the group moved out of religion & spirituality. cbayer Dec 2014 #246

Me? LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #248

Irreligion LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #247

I figured that you meant it more generally, but I found it interesting because of the cbayer Dec 2014 #250

Well I think that I am in a certain position LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #252

Being blocked from the group is clearly painful for you. cbayer Dec 2014 #255

A question. And I'm not even getting into the AA block--I promise. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #256

An answer. And I'm not even getting into your interfaith block - I promise. cbayer Dec 2014 #260

Must hit pretty close to home, then. Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #261

Yeah, that's right. You really got me that time. cbayer Dec 2014 #263

I deleted those posts after LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #264

So, my point is that you have had a rocky relationship with the group, that's all. cbayer Dec 2014 #267

No, Atheists and Agnostics is fine Lordquinton Dec 2014 #249

Are you again calling me an anti-atheist? cbayer Dec 2014 #251

Your GLBT analogy is completely wrong. cbayer Dec 2014 #202

Again, majority status in one enclave does not confer majority privileges everywhere. jeff47 Dec 2014 #203

Of course it doesn't. But this conversation is about this enclave. cbayer Dec 2014 #206

No, you would like to restrict the conversation to this enclave jeff47 Dec 2014 #216

Again telling me what I want and what I am most comfortable with. cbayer Dec 2014 #220

This conversation is about this board and room. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #209

And that board and room exist within a larger place. jeff47 Dec 2014 #214

This room is not a safe haven as was the appropriate room to post this in. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #219

Even safe havens exist within the larger context. jeff47 Dec 2014 #226

The point is this post was not about real life and your trying to make it. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #229

Well said, justin. cbayer Dec 2014 #230

Thank you. It was becoming clear what was happening. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #232

The remedy I have chosen is very effective. cbayer Dec 2014 #235

What really bothers me here is that so many here rose up to yell about this post and gave hrmjustin Dec 2014 #236

I don't see a lot of yelling, but that is because of my "chosen remedy". cbayer Dec 2014 #237

Agreed! it has to stick now or they won't stop. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #238

In general when people who desperately want your attention are ignored, they will up the ante. cbayer Dec 2014 #240

Yes this is true. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #242

Maybe approach it like a 12 step program, lol. cbayer Dec 2014 #243

Your analogy is again completely wrong. cbayer Dec 2014 #223

Again, you're attempting to claim this room is it's own universe. It isn't. jeff47 Dec 2014 #225

One last thing. cbayer Dec 2014 #234

Size-13 Kick! riqster Dec 2014 #210

"Not all theists..." Iggo Dec 2014 #228

Wow! A call for a cease-fire is seen as a new opening shot... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #253

Let me ask you something, TB, since you seem like a reasonable person. trotsky Dec 2014 #254

I wouldn't have a problem with that... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #257

Really. Alright then. trotsky Dec 2014 #258

That is hardly the point... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #259

"in the course of a general debate" trotsky Dec 2014 #265

Back to the point... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #278

Have I not made myself clear enough? trotsky Jan 2015 #285

You've made yourself perfectly clear that... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #287

Oh FFS. trotsky Jan 2015 #296

I'm afraid that your impression seems to be mistaken mr blur Dec 2014 #270

What I think you really are would get the post hidden, but... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #279

What a heap of false equivalency. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #280

What a heap of misreading... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #284

"Both sides are working on blind faith, but neither side will admit it and they fight over who is th AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #286

See, here's why we have problems... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #288

Your meaning is perfectly clear. And that's a pathetic backpedal from what you wrote. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #289

I did not say "disbelief" I said... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #290

That's not what you said in 279. Let me refresh your memory. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #291

I did not. Now bugger off. TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #292

As I said, pathetic backpedal. Not surprised it didn't lead anywhere. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #293

Looks like he made your point. rug Jan 2015 #294

To me the reality of this group is this... goldent Dec 2014 #262

This is not unusual. Going back to Usenet days... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #306

Well you can always end any discussion with "bugger off". Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #299

How in your opinion does religious privilege manifest itself on DU? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #300

This should be good. rug Jan 2015 #301

Well Justin, you claiming that you were being Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #307

Thats bull! my complaint was being asked the same question over and over again by the same hrmjustin Jan 2015 #308

So you agree that you post things on a forum and declare yourself "abused" by having people ask Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #311

Since you are not going to answer my question I am done. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #312

No it isn't. rug Jan 2015 #310

I am far from a victim, and if... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #304

So in light of that statement... trotsky Jan 2015 #309

Beautiful post. Starboard Tack Dec 2014 #271

Whatever happened to your alternative forum for you and all those other good atheists? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #295

It's on the Libertarian Underground forum JDDavis Jan 2015 #297

Oh, so sorry. I guess we forgot to invite you Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #313

But surely with the many atheists here who agree with you... Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #314

But we meet in secret, didn't you know? Though many of us did rec this OP. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #315

And still no Good Atheists Forum here on DU. Seems odd. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #316

This thread went pretty much as I expected. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #298

That's nothing compared to the apoplexy after posting a Dawkins tweet. rug Jan 2015 #302

The poor guy is misunderstood! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #303

Can't blame him. He's had such an underprivileged life. rug Jan 2015 #305