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In reply to the discussion: Charlie Hebdo and its biting satire, explained in 9 of its most iconic covers [View all]NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)44. "Charbonnier had famously shrugged off threats, saying: 'I'd rather die standing than live kneeling"
It's sort of a battle cry among martyrs.
Editor Stephane Charbonnier had famously shrugged off threats, saying: 'I'd rather die standing than live kneeling'
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France lost five of its most prominent political cartoonists yesterday. For decades, they had mocked the powerful, the sacred, the dictators, and all those who believed themselves above criticism. These cartoonists felt there was no better way to fight fundamentalism than through derision and laughter. The late Charb, Charlie Hebdo's editor-in-chief, was killed, evoking the words of Spanish republican icon Dolores Ibarruri, who was known to boast: "I'd rather die standing than live kneeling."
It is this very impertinence, this freedom to rebel against ideologies, structures and hierarchies through art and literature, that has been targeted. France is known for its triad "liberty, equality, brotherhood" engraved at the helm of every school, on all official buildings. This motto attributed to French theologian and writer Francois Fenelon at the end of the 17th century was popularised during the French Revolution, when popular unrest toppled religious and authoritative powers. This philosophy was central to Charlie Hebdo's editorial line and promoted by Charb, known for his firm leftist stands, and for advocating for more justice and wealth redistribution.
Yet, the likely beneficiaries of this heinous act will be the very opponents of this libertarian and humanist stance. A few hours after the events, extreme right leader Marine Le Pen immediately seized the opportunity to unleash her short-sighted Islamophobic attacks. While spontaneous gatherings and demonstrations took place across the country to show the country's grief and support for the victims, Le Pen dissuaded her supporters from participating. She later set conditions for taking part in the Republican march organised for next Sunday.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/01/defining-moment-french-right-20151812591698588.html
It is this very impertinence, this freedom to rebel against ideologies, structures and hierarchies through art and literature, that has been targeted. France is known for its triad "liberty, equality, brotherhood" engraved at the helm of every school, on all official buildings. This motto attributed to French theologian and writer Francois Fenelon at the end of the 17th century was popularised during the French Revolution, when popular unrest toppled religious and authoritative powers. This philosophy was central to Charlie Hebdo's editorial line and promoted by Charb, known for his firm leftist stands, and for advocating for more justice and wealth redistribution.
Yet, the likely beneficiaries of this heinous act will be the very opponents of this libertarian and humanist stance. A few hours after the events, extreme right leader Marine Le Pen immediately seized the opportunity to unleash her short-sighted Islamophobic attacks. While spontaneous gatherings and demonstrations took place across the country to show the country's grief and support for the victims, Le Pen dissuaded her supporters from participating. She later set conditions for taking part in the Republican march organised for next Sunday.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/01/defining-moment-french-right-20151812591698588.html
"Yet, the likely beneficiaries of this heinous act will be the very opponents of this libertarian and humanist stance. "
I'm not alone in questioning the efficacy of this approach to fighting fundamentalism...
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Charlie Hebdo and its biting satire, explained in 9 of its most iconic covers [View all]
cbayer
Jan 2015
OP
I am going to step up and defend cbayer--I don't think anyone is supporting MURDER.
MADem
Jan 2015
#27
But it's 'expected' and 'should have been anticipated' by the victims, according to some parties
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2015
#35
You don't understand the culture behind the publication and it's history.
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2015
#6
You realize some of them were created in direct response to their offices being firebombed, right?
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2015
#8
Also, you are making an uninformed snap judgment about a magazine making deadly serious satire about
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2015
#9
I see the world as a schoolyard, people really behave like children, they are children, in fact.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2015
#14
You've already admitted you are missing cultural and linguistic context for the images/commentary in
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2015
#26
I think what they've done might well do more harm than good. I'm not the only one who thinks so.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2015
#49
Marine Le Pen is the leader of the National Front. The one I just mentioned.
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2015
#57
Yes, by all means this is the fault of the people that drew and published the cartoons.
Goblinmonger
Jan 2015
#13
"It was careless, at the very least, to carry on in the way they did" - that is classic victim
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#43
Free speech is great stuff and should never be viewed as in 'is it productive or not'.
Rex
Jan 2015
#48
His stance on this appears eerily similar to the "Did you see how she was dressed? She should've
cleanhippie
Jan 2015
#16
"Charbonnier had famously shrugged off threats, saying: 'I'd rather die standing than live kneeling"
NYC_SKP
Jan 2015
#44
The quote is attibuted to Spanish republican icon Dolores Ibarruri, 3 Sept., 1936:
NYC_SKP
Jan 2015
#61
I did not know that. I thought it was original to him, but I like it either way.
cbayer
Jan 2015
#62
Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect.
PassingFair
Jan 2015
#55
The claim that pro gay artists were homophobic to defend religions which are homophobic
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#66
Thank you for this, I do not appreciate them but understand them more. Thanks
uppityperson
Jan 2015
#67