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Warren Stupidity

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142. yes I mentioned above that if belief in gods stopped right there, then there wouldn't be a problem.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jan 2015

However, that is not where belief in gods stops, is it? Instead entire ideologies are built up around belief in gods, what we call "religions", and it is those ideology that are the problem. If there weren't religious fanatics slaughtering people we wouldn't be having this discussion. If there weren't religiously centered political forces actively trying to impose misogynist homophobic authoritarian governments on people, we wouldn't be having this discussion. If religion weren't a problem, it wouldn't be a problem.

It is sort of difficult to build an ideology around non belief. Perhaps you could come up with an ideology that is believed in by many people and that is equivalent to a religion and that is built around non belief in the existence of gods and then we could compare that to the numerous examples of religions. I do note that there are atheists, such as de Button, who are trying to construct atheist religions, they just aren't having much success. See also the Ethical Humanists who have been trying, with little success, to build the equivalent of an atheist religion for the last 100+ years. Probably because it is sort of difficult to build an ideology around non belief.

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Exactly. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #1
We should respect rational beliefs phil89 Jan 2015 #2
metaphors are often bad too Brettongarcia Jan 2015 #139
All due respect........... isobar Jan 2015 #3
i think all deeply held beliefs or non-beliefs deserve equal respect -- but not a free pass unblock Jan 2015 #4
Hold on just a minute there. trotsky Jan 2015 #17
that's where we get into the 'but not a free pass' part. unblock Jan 2015 #19
We significantly disagree, then. trotsky Jan 2015 #20
You, sir are completely The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #22
And hey, I've got no sacred cows. trotsky Jan 2015 #24
yup - they all suck in their own way Skittles Jan 2015 #112
I've encountered some people with deeply held racist beliefs. Many with deeply held homophobia. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #27
agreed. such views are offensive to others and beyond the breaking point of polite society. unblock Jan 2015 #33
What do we do with the folks who think abortion is murder? trotsky Jan 2015 #38
we ask them nicely not to have any abortions ;) unblock Jan 2015 #40
It was a serious question. n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #43
and a tough one. i might ask you the same thing. unblock Jan 2015 #50
I think Barack Obama put it best: trotsky Jan 2015 #52
that is indeed a good way to put it. unblock Jan 2015 #60
Well, there's your problem, Jeff Murdoch Jan 2015 #125
Equal respect for White Supremacists or Fred Phelps or Rush Limbaugh ? progressoid Jan 2015 #31
"the breaking point comes when those deeply held views are used to trump that politeness." unblock Jan 2015 #34
Kinda comes down to one's own idea of politeness, dontcha think? trotsky Jan 2015 #47
oh, no, i don't think i've resolved anything, lol! unblock Jan 2015 #62
So the line of politeness is rather nebulous. progressoid Jan 2015 #68
miss manners is the supreme court in such matters. unblock Jan 2015 #77
If one's views are deeply held, then that is what one should do with them. Hold them. notadmblnd Jan 2015 #89
The beliefs themselves deserve no respect at all Warpy Jan 2015 #119
well, i don't quite agree, in the sense that the two are not always clearly separable. unblock Jan 2015 #123
No. Iggo Jan 2015 #199
I think I could give you some examples of deeply held beliefs that you could have no respect for, LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #209
He doesn't state what he considers due respect. rug Jan 2015 #5
I didn't care for his article either. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #7
I did some poking around on him. rug Jan 2015 #8
Lol. I am all for free speech and he got his moment. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #9
his moment? Skittles Jan 2015 #11
I am not saying you have to respect my religious beliefs. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #12
maybe YOU aren't Skittles Jan 2015 #13
Challenging religion is fine and healthy. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #15
if a "faith" involves misogyny and homophobia it deserves to be challenged Skittles Jan 2015 #16
agreed! when I came out I had to come to terms with my faith and what I believed and taught. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #18
There is a difference between respecting a religion and respecting the followers of a religion Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #214
I call bs Skittles Jan 2015 #215
I agree. Calling someone out on a belief does not necessitate disrespect. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #216
I tend to think copywriting is a more honorable profession than LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #10
and attacking the messenger Skittles Jan 2015 #14
argumentum ad hominem est... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #42
You left out a pronoun. Why don't you supply it? rug Jan 2015 #88
One... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #108
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt rug Jan 2015 #111
falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus?... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #113
That's operandi. rug Jan 2015 #115
Touche' ... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #116
He deserves it. rug Jan 2015 #87
I disagree Skittles Jan 2015 #109
PR copyrighting is no more than shilling for those who can afford to shill. rug Jan 2015 #86
Ignorant. Let the reader understand. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #92
Oh, I'm not in the least worried about a reader's ability to understand. rug Jan 2015 #94
Because fleecing the faithful never happens, amiright? LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #96
Let's see now, what do you call extrapolation of a part to the whole? rug Jan 2015 #97
faith... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #6
The next(last) World War will start with one or both sides playing the God card. yourout Jan 2015 #21
I don't give a crap Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #23
Warren Stupidity The CCC Jan 2015 #25
What does CCC stand for? n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #28
thank you CCC for your thoughtful reply. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #29
Not so... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #32
I believe Hitler's religious ideas were pretty much new age mysticism, not particularly Christian.nt rogerashton Jan 2015 #81
Hitler was a Roman Catholic. backscatter712 Jan 2015 #201
If you say so. eom. rogerashton Jan 2015 #202
Was he saying the rosary when he put a bullet in his skull to avid the Red Army at his door? rug Jan 2015 #203
Are you suggesting that if he wasn't... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #207
I say his use of religion was a craven politcal expedient. rug Jan 2015 #212
I'm sorry... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #213
It's a complete statement. Do you have an answer? rug Jan 2015 #217
Here we go again... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #219
You waited two weeks for that? rug Jan 2015 #220
what a bullshit argument. A very old bullshit argument. kwassa Jan 2015 #222
Hitler identified as Christian on numerous occassions Major Nikon Jan 2015 #204
Indeed. trotsky Jan 2015 #208
I do not recall Stalin, Mao, Tojo, Pol Pot, etc., etc., etc. killing to fulfill nothing's will Gore1FL Jan 2015 #35
I don't think it is true to say that atheists want people to forget them.. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #37
Well there clearly were. zeemike Jan 2015 #59
Good points. Stalin did persecute religious people just for being religious. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #61
And Mao sent them to re education camps zeemike Jan 2015 #64
I hate it when they call us delusional, irrational, or mentally ill. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #65
ah justin, religion is irrational, religious beliefs are very difficult Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #70
I am not claiming you are calling the religious mentally ill. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #72
I am not writing the thing I just wrote. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #74
ok. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #75
I wonder what happened to that one. okasha Jan 2015 #103
The poster posts on and off. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #106
So sorry fot yor difficulty. rug Jan 2015 #90
I've always heard the expression used as Southern okasha Jan 2015 #102
Especially since "hissy" is a derivative of hysteria. rug Jan 2015 #105
Well I don't post here often. zeemike Jan 2015 #99
Well you are always welcome in the Interfaith room and the prayer circle. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #100
As does the current regime in China. okasha Jan 2015 #101
That's simply not true Major Nikon Jan 2015 #205
Is anyone denying that marxist-leninist states were anti-religion? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #67
Ah, so the reason atheists in power did bad things to theists had nothing to do with atheism. rug Jan 2015 #93
Anti-theism and atheism are two different things Major Nikon Jan 2015 #206
And religion is nothing more than a belief in God. zeemike Jan 2015 #98
ur no, religion proceeds from a belief in specific gods to long lists of rules Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #121
So then Atheist don't believe in any rules at all then. zeemike Jan 2015 #128
atheists don't believe in gods. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #138
A believer could make the exact same argument you just did. zeemike Jan 2015 #140
Atheism is not a claim... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #141
I reject the claim of Joseph Smith. zeemike Jan 2015 #163
You are conflating two different concepts... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #168
Well thanks for dissecting that for us. zeemike Jan 2015 #170
I do not own and did not create the "dissection"... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #181
Every belief system has it's dogmas laid down by the leaders. zeemike Jan 2015 #182
Leaving alone the magical properties of the big bang, LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #183
My ideas have no effect at all on how I sleep at night. zeemike Jan 2015 #187
I really do not care about meanings of creation myths. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #190
Well as I have said before here. zeemike Jan 2015 #191
Although I think Marx's ideas were not entirely bad, LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #193
Well Jesus did not kill anyone ether. zeemike Jan 2015 #198
Ok. If I follow your logic LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #200
Have you studied/read Deepak Chopra? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #184
No I barely know what he says. zeemike Jan 2015 #185
You should. You would really enjoy it. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #186
I might check that out. zeemike Jan 2015 #188
While coincidental, his work is deep, like his name. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #189
Going now to Youtube to see what he has. zeemike Jan 2015 #192
Soooooo? I'm curious about what you thought about Chopra. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #218
Well he said some interesting things. zeemike Jan 2015 #221
Did you see where he recently said that HIV doesn't cause AIDS? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #223
Sorry but I replied to the link instead of here. zeemike Jan 2015 #224
!!! mr blur Jan 2015 #195
Ok, I think I understand... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #194
No I don't think you understand at all zeemike Jan 2015 #196
Well then... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #197
yes I mentioned above that if belief in gods stopped right there, then there wouldn't be a problem. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #142
Again, you could apply that to atheist too. zeemike Jan 2015 #158
You continue to assert without any foundation that marxism was created around atheism Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #161
Of course it was not created around atheism. zeemike Jan 2015 #164
"But atheism was a principle of it" - no really it was a minor feature. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #165
Well that WAS my point zeemike Jan 2015 #167
No, really, it was a major feature. rug Jan 2015 #175
Just for the sake of discussion, let's take the atheist word out of it. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #166
Not at all, I hear you well. zeemike Jan 2015 #169
My disbelief goes beyond doubt. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #171
Unseen but not unknown. zeemike Jan 2015 #178
Thanks for the vid. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #179
No it is because our thinking about what God is is flawed. zeemike Jan 2015 #180
So can we infer that... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #210
No I don't think we can infer that at all. zeemike Jan 2015 #211
they were psychopaths Skittles Jan 2015 #110
They were that, Jeff Murdoch Jan 2015 #127
Being oppressed by a psychopathic Atheist is no different than a psychopathic believer. zeemike Jan 2015 #129
atheist no different than pyschopathic believer? Skittles Jan 2015 #130
A psychopathic Atheist is. zeemike Jan 2015 #131
aw well GEE there's a qualifier for you Skittles Jan 2015 #132
Well I said it in the post you replied to. zeemike Jan 2015 #133
I don't like wasting my time Skittles Jan 2015 #134
Amongst the only places I profess my strong atheism is here. longship Jan 2015 #135
damned comment hierarchy lines ... sometimes i reply the wrong people... confusing at times. Burf-_- Jan 2015 #66
I was getting very upset, and then very confused. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #69
my bad... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #73
wrong on so many levels SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2015 #26
I seem to have drawn flies. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #30
But not very clever flies, not one of the posters objecting to the article have managed to say what Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #36
is there really anything in the article that is worth talking about SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2015 #91
Let me help you out. okasha Jan 2015 #107
not you... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2015 #85
And we know what does that, don't we? okasha Jan 2015 #104
yes, honey. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #120
Religion is a choice, yes, but virtually all religious people were brainwashed as children. Scuba Jan 2015 #39
Actually I know a lot of people in that category. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #41
In terms of overall percentages though... gcomeau Jan 2015 #46
Um well lets see what Pew has to say: Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #51
it just supported my point... so? gcomeau Jan 2015 #56
I guess you and I disagree about what a "general rule" would be. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #63
However, of those 28%, 13% are people who have changed to 'unaffiliated' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #136
You seem to be re-arranging the Pew study. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #143
Correct - I arrange it into Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam etc. and not affiliated muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #145
I believe in aliens SoapBox Jan 2015 #44
Nice try with that respect idea. That would be nice, but harmful anti-science, anti-reason, and Maineman Jan 2015 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Burf-_- Jan 2015 #48
The problem is that by disrespecting religion, Maedhros Jan 2015 #49
Hogwash. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #53
Try that a sports bar in Dallas and you may be proven wrong. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #79
No. You're talking about perceived insult. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #83
It's just the way humans function. Maedhros Jan 2015 #95
Do you really think atheists in the US are unfamiliar with being mocked and sneered at? Fumesucker Jan 2015 #118
Didn't your mother teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #122
A smart person wrote something very much like this... Fumesucker Jan 2015 #124
I'm an atheist. I just don't see the value in sneering at religious people. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #147
It's interesting that you see and condemn the sneering and mocking in one direction Fumesucker Jan 2015 #149
I disagree with the addition of "under God" to the Pledge, but then again I disagree Maedhros Jan 2015 #150
Again, you see the provocative behavior in one direction but not the other Fumesucker Jan 2015 #151
You are being deliberately obtuse. Maedhros Jan 2015 #152
Isn't it the purpose of religion to overcome base "human function"? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #146
Do as you wish. I choose not to be abrasive. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #148
By likening religious people to drunken Cowboys fans, aren't you disrespecting them directly? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #172
It war AoR's metaphor he answered. rug Jan 2015 #176
And besides they might kill you, so I guess it is the prudent thing to do. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #54
Are you basically saying that with regards to religion... trotsky Jan 2015 #55
If it is about challenging prejudices then I say go for it. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #58
An example of which? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #173
I am Episcopalian and I find it demeaning. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #174
I guess you know how it feels to be non-religious now. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #225
Who makes you go along with it? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #226
Often we'll be in a group or ceremony where someone will say "please bow your heads for a prayer" Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #227
Where do you go that they ask you to pray? i am never aasked to pray at venues. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #228
Have you NEVER been to a state Democratic convention? PassingFair Jan 2015 #229
I have never been to a DNC event. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #230
Take my word for it then....others ARE subjected. nt PassingFair Jan 2015 #231
I believe you and understand it can be annoying and offensive. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #232
I have a friend who likes lima beans. rug Jan 2015 #177
Minor bone to pick Trillo Jan 2015 #57
Half right, but half wrong too. oneview Jan 2015 #71
you don't need religion to "do good works among the poor" Skittles Jan 2015 #114
You're right, one doesn't require the other, but sometimes they go together. oneview Jan 2015 #117
Interesting that you should use the Good Samaritan Fumesucker Jan 2015 #137
Atheist Experience:Tracy Harris and Martin Wagner Burf-_- Jan 2015 #76
deference is the problem KT2000 Jan 2015 #78
The presiding bishop of my church is a woman. You would be very welcome in my church. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #80
Yes - I was raised Episcopalian KT2000 Jan 2015 #82
Well in my parish we don't scare the kids in Sunday School. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #84
I recently wrote on this in regards to Islam The Rob Black Show Jan 2015 #126
I don't think you will find much support for your position here. trotsky Jan 2015 #144
It's bigotry. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #154
Not sure what the point of this is, Warren. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #153
"that doesn't make all religious people crazy or evil" - duh. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #155
I don't see the need for your attack mode. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #156
Dude you just accused me off all sorts of hideous bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #157
Actually, Warren, I asked a series of questions. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #159
And you just did it again. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #160
Fair enough Warren. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #162
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