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LiberalAndProud

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179. Thanks for the vid.

Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:43 PM

Jan 2015

I'll put it on my viewing queue.

Is it your thinking then, that because our understanding of the universe is flawed, therefor God?

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Time to Pay Religion the Disrespect It Deserves [View all] Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 OP

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #1

We should respect rational beliefs phil89 Jan 2015 #2

metaphors are often bad too Brettongarcia Jan 2015 #139

All due respect........... isobar Jan 2015 #3

i think all deeply held beliefs or non-beliefs deserve equal respect -- but not a free pass unblock Jan 2015 #4

Hold on just a minute there. trotsky Jan 2015 #17

that's where we get into the 'but not a free pass' part. unblock Jan 2015 #19

We significantly disagree, then. trotsky Jan 2015 #20

You, sir are completely The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #22

And hey, I've got no sacred cows. trotsky Jan 2015 #24

yup - they all suck in their own way Skittles Jan 2015 #112

I've encountered some people with deeply held racist beliefs. Many with deeply held homophobia. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #27

agreed. such views are offensive to others and beyond the breaking point of polite society. unblock Jan 2015 #33

What do we do with the folks who think abortion is murder? trotsky Jan 2015 #38

we ask them nicely not to have any abortions ;) unblock Jan 2015 #40

It was a serious question. n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #43

and a tough one. i might ask you the same thing. unblock Jan 2015 #50

I think Barack Obama put it best: trotsky Jan 2015 #52

that is indeed a good way to put it. unblock Jan 2015 #60

Well, there's your problem, Jeff Murdoch Jan 2015 #125

Equal respect for White Supremacists or Fred Phelps or Rush Limbaugh ? progressoid Jan 2015 #31

"the breaking point comes when those deeply held views are used to trump that politeness." unblock Jan 2015 #34

Kinda comes down to one's own idea of politeness, dontcha think? trotsky Jan 2015 #47

oh, no, i don't think i've resolved anything, lol! unblock Jan 2015 #62

So the line of politeness is rather nebulous. progressoid Jan 2015 #68

miss manners is the supreme court in such matters. unblock Jan 2015 #77

If one's views are deeply held, then that is what one should do with them. Hold them. notadmblnd Jan 2015 #89

The beliefs themselves deserve no respect at all Warpy Jan 2015 #119

well, i don't quite agree, in the sense that the two are not always clearly separable. unblock Jan 2015 #123

No. Iggo Jan 2015 #199

I think I could give you some examples of deeply held beliefs that you could have no respect for, LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #209

He doesn't state what he considers due respect. rug Jan 2015 #5

I didn't care for his article either. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #7

I did some poking around on him. rug Jan 2015 #8

Lol. I am all for free speech and he got his moment. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #9

his moment? Skittles Jan 2015 #11

I am not saying you have to respect my religious beliefs. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #12

maybe YOU aren't Skittles Jan 2015 #13

Challenging religion is fine and healthy. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #15

if a "faith" involves misogyny and homophobia it deserves to be challenged Skittles Jan 2015 #16

agreed! when I came out I had to come to terms with my faith and what I believed and taught. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #18

There is a difference between respecting a religion and respecting the followers of a religion Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #214

I call bs Skittles Jan 2015 #215

I agree. Calling someone out on a belief does not necessitate disrespect. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #216

I tend to think copywriting is a more honorable profession than LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #10

and attacking the messenger Skittles Jan 2015 #14

argumentum ad hominem est... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #42

You left out a pronoun. Why don't you supply it? rug Jan 2015 #88

One... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #108

Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt rug Jan 2015 #111

falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus?... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #113

That's operandi. rug Jan 2015 #115

Touche' ... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #116

He deserves it. rug Jan 2015 #87

I disagree Skittles Jan 2015 #109

PR copyrighting is no more than shilling for those who can afford to shill. rug Jan 2015 #86

Ignorant. Let the reader understand. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #92

Oh, I'm not in the least worried about a reader's ability to understand. rug Jan 2015 #94

Because fleecing the faithful never happens, amiright? LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #96

Let's see now, what do you call extrapolation of a part to the whole? rug Jan 2015 #97

faith... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #6

The next(last) World War will start with one or both sides playing the God card. yourout Jan 2015 #21

I don't give a crap Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #23

Warren Stupidity The CCC Jan 2015 #25

What does CCC stand for? n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #28

thank you CCC for your thoughtful reply. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #29

Not so... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #32

I believe Hitler's religious ideas were pretty much new age mysticism, not particularly Christian.nt rogerashton Jan 2015 #81

Hitler was a Roman Catholic. backscatter712 Jan 2015 #201

If you say so. eom. rogerashton Jan 2015 #202

Was he saying the rosary when he put a bullet in his skull to avid the Red Army at his door? rug Jan 2015 #203

Are you suggesting that if he wasn't... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #207

I say his use of religion was a craven politcal expedient. rug Jan 2015 #212

I'm sorry... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #213

It's a complete statement. Do you have an answer? rug Jan 2015 #217

Here we go again... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #219

You waited two weeks for that? rug Jan 2015 #220

what a bullshit argument. A very old bullshit argument. kwassa Jan 2015 #222

Hitler identified as Christian on numerous occassions Major Nikon Jan 2015 #204

Indeed. trotsky Jan 2015 #208

I do not recall Stalin, Mao, Tojo, Pol Pot, etc., etc., etc. killing to fulfill nothing's will Gore1FL Jan 2015 #35

I don't think it is true to say that atheists want people to forget them.. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #37

Well there clearly were. zeemike Jan 2015 #59

Good points. Stalin did persecute religious people just for being religious. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #61

And Mao sent them to re education camps zeemike Jan 2015 #64

I hate it when they call us delusional, irrational, or mentally ill. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #65

ah justin, religion is irrational, religious beliefs are very difficult Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #70

I am not claiming you are calling the religious mentally ill. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #72

I am not writing the thing I just wrote. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #74

ok. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #75

I wonder what happened to that one. okasha Jan 2015 #103

The poster posts on and off. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #106

So sorry fot yor difficulty. rug Jan 2015 #90

I've always heard the expression used as Southern okasha Jan 2015 #102

Especially since "hissy" is a derivative of hysteria. rug Jan 2015 #105

Well I don't post here often. zeemike Jan 2015 #99

Well you are always welcome in the Interfaith room and the prayer circle. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #100

As does the current regime in China. okasha Jan 2015 #101

That's simply not true Major Nikon Jan 2015 #205

Is anyone denying that marxist-leninist states were anti-religion? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #67

Ah, so the reason atheists in power did bad things to theists had nothing to do with atheism. rug Jan 2015 #93

Anti-theism and atheism are two different things Major Nikon Jan 2015 #206

And religion is nothing more than a belief in God. zeemike Jan 2015 #98

ur no, religion proceeds from a belief in specific gods to long lists of rules Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #121

So then Atheist don't believe in any rules at all then. zeemike Jan 2015 #128

atheists don't believe in gods. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #138

A believer could make the exact same argument you just did. zeemike Jan 2015 #140

Atheism is not a claim... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #141

I reject the claim of Joseph Smith. zeemike Jan 2015 #163

You are conflating two different concepts... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #168

Well thanks for dissecting that for us. zeemike Jan 2015 #170

I do not own and did not create the "dissection"... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #181

Every belief system has it's dogmas laid down by the leaders. zeemike Jan 2015 #182

Leaving alone the magical properties of the big bang, LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #183

My ideas have no effect at all on how I sleep at night. zeemike Jan 2015 #187

I really do not care about meanings of creation myths. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #190

Well as I have said before here. zeemike Jan 2015 #191

Although I think Marx's ideas were not entirely bad, LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #193

Well Jesus did not kill anyone ether. zeemike Jan 2015 #198

Ok. If I follow your logic LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #200

Have you studied/read Deepak Chopra? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #184

No I barely know what he says. zeemike Jan 2015 #185

You should. You would really enjoy it. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #186

I might check that out. zeemike Jan 2015 #188

While coincidental, his work is deep, like his name. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #189

Going now to Youtube to see what he has. zeemike Jan 2015 #192

Soooooo? I'm curious about what you thought about Chopra. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #218

Well he said some interesting things. zeemike Jan 2015 #221

Did you see where he recently said that HIV doesn't cause AIDS? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #223

Sorry but I replied to the link instead of here. zeemike Jan 2015 #224

!!! mr blur Jan 2015 #195

Ok, I think I understand... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #194

No I don't think you understand at all zeemike Jan 2015 #196

Well then... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #197

yes I mentioned above that if belief in gods stopped right there, then there wouldn't be a problem. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #142

Again, you could apply that to atheist too. zeemike Jan 2015 #158

You continue to assert without any foundation that marxism was created around atheism Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #161

Of course it was not created around atheism. zeemike Jan 2015 #164

"But atheism was a principle of it" - no really it was a minor feature. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #165

Well that WAS my point zeemike Jan 2015 #167

No, really, it was a major feature. rug Jan 2015 #175

Just for the sake of discussion, let's take the atheist word out of it. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #166

Not at all, I hear you well. zeemike Jan 2015 #169

My disbelief goes beyond doubt. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #171

Unseen but not unknown. zeemike Jan 2015 #178

Thanks for the vid. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #179

No it is because our thinking about what God is is flawed. zeemike Jan 2015 #180

So can we infer that... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #210

No I don't think we can infer that at all. zeemike Jan 2015 #211

they were psychopaths Skittles Jan 2015 #110

They were that, Jeff Murdoch Jan 2015 #127

Being oppressed by a psychopathic Atheist is no different than a psychopathic believer. zeemike Jan 2015 #129

atheist no different than pyschopathic believer? Skittles Jan 2015 #130

A psychopathic Atheist is. zeemike Jan 2015 #131

aw well GEE there's a qualifier for you Skittles Jan 2015 #132

Well I said it in the post you replied to. zeemike Jan 2015 #133

I don't like wasting my time Skittles Jan 2015 #134

Amongst the only places I profess my strong atheism is here. longship Jan 2015 #135

damned comment hierarchy lines ... sometimes i reply the wrong people... confusing at times. Burf-_- Jan 2015 #66

I was getting very upset, and then very confused. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #69

my bad... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #73

wrong on so many levels SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2015 #26

I seem to have drawn flies. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #30

But not very clever flies, not one of the posters objecting to the article have managed to say what Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #36

is there really anything in the article that is worth talking about SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2015 #91

Let me help you out. okasha Jan 2015 #107

not you... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2015 #85

And we know what does that, don't we? okasha Jan 2015 #104

yes, honey. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #120

Religion is a choice, yes, but virtually all religious people were brainwashed as children. Scuba Jan 2015 #39

Actually I know a lot of people in that category. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #41

In terms of overall percentages though... gcomeau Jan 2015 #46

Um well lets see what Pew has to say: Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #51

it just supported my point... so? gcomeau Jan 2015 #56

I guess you and I disagree about what a "general rule" would be. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #63

However, of those 28%, 13% are people who have changed to 'unaffiliated' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #136

You seem to be re-arranging the Pew study. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #143

Correct - I arrange it into Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam etc. and not affiliated muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #145

I believe in aliens SoapBox Jan 2015 #44

Nice try with that respect idea. That would be nice, but harmful anti-science, anti-reason, and Maineman Jan 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Burf-_- Jan 2015 #48

The problem is that by disrespecting religion, Maedhros Jan 2015 #49

Hogwash. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #53

Try that a sports bar in Dallas and you may be proven wrong. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #79

No. You're talking about perceived insult. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #83

It's just the way humans function. Maedhros Jan 2015 #95

Do you really think atheists in the US are unfamiliar with being mocked and sneered at? Fumesucker Jan 2015 #118

Didn't your mother teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #122

A smart person wrote something very much like this... Fumesucker Jan 2015 #124

I'm an atheist. I just don't see the value in sneering at religious people. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #147

It's interesting that you see and condemn the sneering and mocking in one direction Fumesucker Jan 2015 #149

I disagree with the addition of "under God" to the Pledge, but then again I disagree Maedhros Jan 2015 #150

Again, you see the provocative behavior in one direction but not the other Fumesucker Jan 2015 #151

You are being deliberately obtuse. Maedhros Jan 2015 #152

Isn't it the purpose of religion to overcome base "human function"? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #146

Do as you wish. I choose not to be abrasive. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #148

By likening religious people to drunken Cowboys fans, aren't you disrespecting them directly? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #172

It war AoR's metaphor he answered. rug Jan 2015 #176

And besides they might kill you, so I guess it is the prudent thing to do. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #54

Are you basically saying that with regards to religion... trotsky Jan 2015 #55

If it is about challenging prejudices then I say go for it. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #58

An example of which? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #173

I am Episcopalian and I find it demeaning. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #174

I guess you know how it feels to be non-religious now. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #225

Who makes you go along with it? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #226

Often we'll be in a group or ceremony where someone will say "please bow your heads for a prayer" Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #227

Where do you go that they ask you to pray? i am never aasked to pray at venues. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #228

Have you NEVER been to a state Democratic convention? PassingFair Jan 2015 #229

I have never been to a DNC event. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #230

Take my word for it then....others ARE subjected. nt PassingFair Jan 2015 #231

I believe you and understand it can be annoying and offensive. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #232

I have a friend who likes lima beans. rug Jan 2015 #177

Minor bone to pick Trillo Jan 2015 #57

Half right, but half wrong too. oneview Jan 2015 #71

you don't need religion to "do good works among the poor" Skittles Jan 2015 #114

You're right, one doesn't require the other, but sometimes they go together. oneview Jan 2015 #117

Interesting that you should use the Good Samaritan Fumesucker Jan 2015 #137

Atheist Experience:Tracy Harris and Martin Wagner Burf-_- Jan 2015 #76

deference is the problem KT2000 Jan 2015 #78

The presiding bishop of my church is a woman. You would be very welcome in my church. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #80

Yes - I was raised Episcopalian KT2000 Jan 2015 #82

Well in my parish we don't scare the kids in Sunday School. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #84

I recently wrote on this in regards to Islam The Rob Black Show Jan 2015 #126

I don't think you will find much support for your position here. trotsky Jan 2015 #144

It's bigotry. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #154

Not sure what the point of this is, Warren. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #153

"that doesn't make all religious people crazy or evil" - duh. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #155

I don't see the need for your attack mode. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #156

Dude you just accused me off all sorts of hideous bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #157

Actually, Warren, I asked a series of questions. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #159

And you just did it again. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #160

Fair enough Warren. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #162