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94. None of the pope's rabid apologists seem to grasp

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 12:54 AM

Jan 2015

that it's nothing but empty and meaningless lip service to say that people have a fundamental right to expression that insults or offends others when in the next breath you say that people should never exercise that right.

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Pope: When religion insulted, freedom of expression not boundless [View all] trotsky Jan 2015 OP

He uses the phrase edhopper Jan 2015 #1

He's said a lot that has offended people. trotsky Jan 2015 #2

Like I said edhopper Jan 2015 #3

You nailed it. nt Ilsa Jan 2015 #6

Well obviously it's OK because he's right, and everyone else is wrong. trotsky Jan 2015 #7

Sure edhopper Jan 2015 #8

Yeah but which one... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #68

Faith has a thin skin. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #4

What I've been saying... Ilsa Jan 2015 #5

Yes. I think the Pope should request prayers for stronger faith, LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #9

What's a little disturbing too is his comparison... trotsky Jan 2015 #14

I find his choice of words disturbing. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #15

Very true! Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #11

True. But I don't have a Pope claiming special privilege. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #12

What special privilege is he claiming? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #20

So free speech doesn't apply to satire? Goblinmonger Jan 2015 #22

Except he is not claiming privilege. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #29

I think you are building straw men. Goblinmonger Jan 2015 #30

I would love to ask him exactly what he meant by that. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #43

so if religious belief includes treating women like trash Skittles Jan 2015 #52

Why would you respect such a thing? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #56

I DO NOT TOLERATE MISOGYNY AND HOMOPHOBIA FOR ANY REASON Skittles Jan 2015 #57

Neither do I, and no need to yell. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #59

Well that's just silly Goblinmonger Jan 2015 #60

To many his message is quite clear Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #64

OK, oh great one, enlighten me. Goblinmonger Jan 2015 #65

they cherry-pick like crazy Skittles Jan 2015 #88

Of course free speech applies to satire Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #33

Apparently physical assault is an acceptable 'consequence'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #37

Who said it was "acceptable"? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #40

"But it�s normal, it�s normal.� - Captain WonderPope AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #44

Normal does not mean acceptable. Sorry. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #45

It's not "normal" either. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #46

I normally don't accept them as synonyms Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #47

Not going to address the original actual quote then? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #48

�If my good friend says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch,� Francis said cleanhippie Jan 2015 #63

And if someone insults your mother, how would you react? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #66

So violence is a justifiable response to words. Got it. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #70

Obviously it is for some Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #81

You seem to be more incoherent than usual. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #83

I'd fucking kill them. Goblinmonger Jan 2015 #71

Latin American culture okasha Jan 2015 #84

Yep! Same applies in Italy Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #96

I would agree with you if I could change his words a little. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #25

I think one needs to take his words in context. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #31

Yes, the ever present "but". LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #34

And you have that right. Nobody here is saying you shouldn't. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #36

Getting punched in the face is the logical outcome. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #39

Reality testing and common sense are handy tools Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #41

You missed the point of my illustration, I take it. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #42

Patriarchy is independent okasha Jan 2015 #49

Should we not change it then because we are closely related to baboons? LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #50

Of course we should change it, okasha Jan 2015 #51

No. It codifies it as God's Word. It makes it harder, and even sinful, to call for change. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #54

"cannot" - that word does not mean what you seem to think it means. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #27

Thanks for another valuable contribution to the public discourse! Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #21

Thanks! Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #35

I don't understand. Goblinmonger Jan 2015 #23

"Seems to be saying." You got it. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #38

Do you think/believe that murder... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #67

Nope. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #82

I guess I hold to the idea... NeoGreen Jan 2015 #92

I agree 100% Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #95

Sure edhopper Jan 2015 #32

Yeah, I don't get it why religious people are offended when mocked. goldent Jan 2015 #98

You're right. For example, I find this offensive: LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #100

Ah, the bigoted misogynist opens his mouth... MellowDem Jan 2015 #10

Shocking, isn't it? n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #13

really tired of being told I have to respect and tolerate crap Skittles Jan 2015 #58

I am interested in hearing edhopper Jan 2015 #16

Hasn't someone here on DU said pretty much the same thing? Goblinmonger Jan 2015 #17

Yes edhopper Jan 2015 #18

Well that was before it turned out alien shape-shifters carried out a false flag operation Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #28

Pope Frank said edhopper Jan 2015 #19

Oooohhhh trotsky Jan 2015 #24

I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #26

Go tell that to the Presiding Bishops okasha Jan 2015 #69

That was from the bible. I suppose they know scripture. Not wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #72

I do. okasha Jan 2015 #73

Oh yeah right ... the atheists are the problem with bible interpretations. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #75

Yeah that's her "thing." trotsky Jan 2015 #77

Yes, it's become one of this clan's phony talking points skepticscott Jan 2015 #101

"especially when they have nothing else" trotsky Jan 2015 #102

Reading comprehension. okasha Jan 2015 #85

More reading comprehension. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #86

Modifiers are necessary to precise thinking. okasha Jan 2015 #87

IOW Skittles Jan 2015 #89

,Nope. okasha Jan 2015 #90

uh huh Skittles Jan 2015 #91

Ta. okasha Jan 2015 #93

So you agree that the Vatican represents a "throwaway culture" that devalues women? trotsky Jan 2015 #74

Fuck the pope. longship Jan 2015 #53

You fuck the pope, i don't want to. isobar Jan 2015 #76

Aw, poor baby Warpy Jan 2015 #55

Religious leader says it is wrong to mock the religious. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #61

Nobody likes it when someone interferes with their marketing campaign. n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #62

How about when religion insults the non-religious? Is that still unboundless freedom of expression? Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #78

And he did exactly that! trotsky Jan 2015 #79

Doh! Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #80

None of the pope's rabid apologists seem to grasp skepticscott Jan 2015 #94

Which of course no one, rabid or otherwise, is saying. rug Jan 2015 #99

He's wrong on this one Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #97