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trotsky

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45. I'm not the one legitimizing Phelps and Robertson. You are.

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:56 AM

Apr 2012

Because you've set up the standard of "I know what's right because I said so," which is the exact same standard they use.

Sorry you don't like where that leads, but as I said, until you and those guys realize that's where that reasoning leads, we're going to continue to have problems.

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Where is Jesus in politics? [View all] cbayer Apr 2012 OP

Solid post. The Palm Sunday celebration is a case in point. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #1

I don't believe it was for the Romans he did that zeemike Apr 2012 #2

It was Rome that Jesus took on. When I get time, I'll detail his opposition. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #3

How can you detail his opposition when no extra-biblical source ever mentions him? cleanhippie Apr 2012 #4

But it'll be in his next book skepticscott Apr 2012 #8

Josephus, a 1st century Jewish-Roman historian, is often cited as an independent source. MissMarple Apr 2012 #136

Can't wait to hear it. zeemike Apr 2012 #5

I'm sure lots of folks want to argue about what SHOULD be, but here's what IS dmallind Apr 2012 #6

Well I take issue on one thing zeemike Apr 2012 #7

I disagree, not with your evidence but with your premise. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #9

But that is all for show. zeemike Apr 2012 #12

Do you follow everything Jesus said? trotsky Apr 2012 #13

I try to zeemike Apr 2012 #17

Loopholes! trotsky Apr 2012 #19

Rationalizing by quoting just what was said? zeemike Apr 2012 #24

Hmm... trotsky Apr 2012 #26

No, he/she's not saying that. I think Christians need to use a Buddhist technique... CJCRANE Apr 2012 #52

Thanks for your opinion. n/t trotsky Apr 2012 #58

I think I have learned never to quesrion somone else's esoteric experience--just to hear it. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #33

Yikes!! indeed. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #32

So Pew just made up their survey results? dmallind Apr 2012 #10

I am not questioning the survey zeemike Apr 2012 #14

You're not...but you are dmallind Apr 2012 #18

What are we talking about here? zeemike Apr 2012 #23

Ridicule? No! Just acknowledging your humanity dmallind Apr 2012 #35

Well it was not me that claimed to know that the DO love Jesus zeemike Apr 2012 #36

a) THEY claimed to know how they feel. Who else? dmallind Apr 2012 #38

Shees...talk about disassembling. zeemike Apr 2012 #39

Yes you are dissembling. dmallind Apr 2012 #46

I said nothing about their religiosity...you did. zeemike Apr 2012 #50

BS - "I question your [sic] assumptions that Conservatives feel close to Jesus" dmallind Apr 2012 #59

Zero evidence? zeemike Apr 2012 #67

You've already admitted there are things Jesus said that you don't follow. trotsky Apr 2012 #70

And what would that be? zeemike Apr 2012 #72

See? You're doing it! trotsky Apr 2012 #82

That's horse hockey. zeemike Apr 2012 #86

Excuses. Rationalization. trotsky Apr 2012 #88

It has nothing to do with what I think zeemike Apr 2012 #92

Are you saying Christians shouldn't strive to be perfect? trotsky Apr 2012 #93

Striving to be perfect is an individual trait. zeemike Apr 2012 #101

So you don't think Christians should try to be Christ-like? trotsky Apr 2012 #104

No they are not required to be zeemike Apr 2012 #107

I'm not saying they are required to be. trotsky Apr 2012 #109

So is the frequency with which someone quotes Jesus... trotsky Apr 2012 #11

No their actions are zeemike Apr 2012 #15

Ah, I see. trotsky Apr 2012 #16

Bullshit...they have no evidence from the words of Jesus. zeemike Apr 2012 #20

I am glad that you feel you are the world's expert in knowing what Jesus said. trotsky Apr 2012 #21

I never said I was an expert. zeemike Apr 2012 #22

Yet that is exactly what you're saying. trotsky Apr 2012 #25

So if I claim to understand his words I am an expert? zeemike Apr 2012 #28

You're the one who claims to understand his words better than other Christians do. trotsky Apr 2012 #29

So are you saying that you DO have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows? zeemike Apr 2012 #30

Sure, you all know how to read... trotsky Apr 2012 #34

Well I actually have been called a deceiver by right wing Christians. zeemike Apr 2012 #37

Yes, yes. trotsky Apr 2012 #42

Well I am not good. zeemike Apr 2012 #44

I'm not the one legitimizing Phelps and Robertson. You are. trotsky Apr 2012 #45

Well excuse me for saying it zeemike Apr 2012 #48

And Pat Robertson would say: trotsky Apr 2012 #49

And so you accept that as legitimate. zeemike Apr 2012 #53

There's plenty of stuff in the bible you ignore too. trotsky Apr 2012 #57

But let's go to the core - what did Christ do and what did he say? CJCRANE Apr 2012 #64

Yes, let's go to the core. trotsky Apr 2012 #65

That's all true CJCRANE Apr 2012 #66

He also cursed a tree, took out a whip to break up groups of people, trotsky Apr 2012 #68

Start with your neighbor and take it from there. CJCRANE Apr 2012 #73

LOL trotsky Apr 2012 #83

Name it. zeemike Apr 2012 #69

But you have no response to offer. That's the problem. trotsky Apr 2012 #71

No everyone else is not wrong. zeemike Apr 2012 #74

That's not what you're saying though. trotsky Apr 2012 #81

So now I have some hidden meaning in what I said? zeemike Apr 2012 #90

I love the context distraction! How many times is John 3:16 quoted out of context? trotsky Apr 2012 #91

I will be happy to. zeemike Apr 2012 #97

You're missing the point completely. trotsky Apr 2012 #99

Well context is everything. zeemike Apr 2012 #105

You absolutely are justifying the execution of adulterers. trotsky Apr 2012 #108

I was saying what was not what I thought was good. zeemike Apr 2012 #112

You said there was a time when it was appropriate. trotsky Apr 2012 #120

I did not say that and you know it. zeemike Apr 2012 #123

You absolutely did and I'm sorry you don't like it being pointed out. trotsky Apr 2012 #125

So you changed correct that to approve of? zeemike Apr 2012 #126

When we switched over to DU3, I purged my ignore list. trotsky Apr 2012 #129

You are the one making the odd claim that you have some actual words of this Jesus to know. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #84

So you think that it is an odd thing zeemike Apr 2012 #85

Yes, it's a very odd thing. trotsky Apr 2012 #87

Makes no difference at all. zeemike Apr 2012 #94

Are you kidding me? Really? It makes all the difference in the world! trotsky Apr 2012 #95

Well first let me establish that I don't give a shit how you see me. zeemike Apr 2012 #100

Clearly you're not here for your image. trotsky Apr 2012 #103

You got it...I don't need image. zeemike Apr 2012 #114

Don't know how to break this to you, and you won't accept it anyway... trotsky Apr 2012 #119

there you go again saying things you cannot back up with facts zeemike Apr 2012 #122

I knew you wouldn't accept it from me. trotsky Apr 2012 #124

And Stalin and Lenin agree with you...so what? zeemike Apr 2012 #127

When it's cental to the discussion at hand, you bet. trotsky Apr 2012 #128

It is not a red hearing at all zeemike Apr 2012 #132

yes, seeing as how the words were written long after this person died. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #96

I find really odd zeemike Apr 2012 #98

well for example Mark is just full of geographical errors Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #102

The bible is perfect and there are no errors SO STOP SAYING THAT! trotsky Apr 2012 #106

I have heard those same complaints for the last 30 years zeemike Apr 2012 #113

Critical analysis of the gospels goes back a bit further than 30 years Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #118

Yes I know but I never paid attention to it until then. zeemike Apr 2012 #121

Ah... the "real Christians" argument... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #40

Well it sounds familiar to me zeemike Apr 2012 #43

You're right, they are trying to run you round in circles. CJCRANE Apr 2012 #54

Thanks ...I thought I was all alone here in the firing line. zeemike Apr 2012 #56

And the millions of other devout Christians who disagree? dmallind Apr 2012 #60

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Pay your taxes. nt CJCRANE Apr 2012 #63

In other words, Jesus said nothing we couldn't figured out ourselves RE politics. nt Joseph8th Apr 2012 #76

The only circles here are the ones with zeemike's logic. trotsky Apr 2012 #89

That has been my experience as well. cbayer Apr 2012 #27

Isn't the story of the Apocalypse... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #41

Read the epistles too dmallind Apr 2012 #47

The discussion is specifically about the sayings and actions of *Jesus* nt CJCRANE Apr 2012 #55

Yeah - who specifically said what about polirics? dmallind Apr 2012 #61

We can fight them on their own terms. They do not follow the majority of the things Jesus said CJCRANE Apr 2012 #62

It's the "Real Christians" argument, again... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #75

There is a substantial number of both individuals and groups doing exactly what you ask - cbayer Apr 2012 #77

For example?... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #78

People post about it all the time here. cbayer Apr 2012 #79

Progressive Christians Uniting is a multi- denominational, multi congregational group in this area, Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #130

Historically this comes and goes in waves, depending on what is happening in society. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #31

Can't speak for other congregations, but... jeepnstein Apr 2012 #51

At best Jesus was apolitical, and frankly I don't see the relevence of a 2000 year old... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #80

Loaded, as usual. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #110

I wasn't being sarcastic, I simply don't see the relevance of a character in a story... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #111

How I wish you were only mildly acquainted with what is really going on in churches outside of CA. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #115

That's becasue you hate it so much you haven't taken the effort to really listen to what is going on Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #116

Venture out of your comfort zone. See the nation as it is, not as you wish it were. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #117

I know the Christian movement widely from the inside,. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #131

Oh, nothing you've said? Really? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #133

This winter I spent 13 Sundays as an anonymous visitor to those churches. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #134

I can't find one, and that's the biggest part of my point. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #135

You are speaking out of ignorance. I was appaled by much of what I found. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #137

And you, out of arrogance, born of willful blindness. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #138