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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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56. I'm pretty sure the wedding cake for the gay couple

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 07:58 PM

Jan 2015

didn't have same-sex erotica messages on it. At 'worst' it was a wedding cake like any other, possibly with simply two of the same plastic cake toppers on it, if they even asked for that, which I doubt. Those little suckers are pretty tacky, and most people I know whose weddings I attended didn't bother with them.

So what's the distinction? Overt hate speech. Sell him the cake, a tube of icing, and let him scrawl his own hate speech on it if he wants.

If you wanted to try to claim that these two instances are anything close to being 'similar', you'd have to have the gay couple wanting a cake that had 'God hates Christians' written on it.

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Christian bigot files discrimination complain because bakery won't fill his bigoted order [View all] Major Nikon Jan 2015 OP

Good for her for not filling that bigoted order. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #1

Double bigot IMO -goes to an Hispanic bakery to start shit too lunasun Jan 2015 #2

Lucky for her this dipshit is giving her free advertising Major Nikon Jan 2015 #3

if you call facing a state discrimination investigation lucky. I call it being harrassed+ having to lunasun Jan 2015 #4

I hope she can sue him for legal costs and a false report. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #5

Lots of legal hurdles would need to be cleared by him first Major Nikon Jan 2015 #6

Typical rightwing Christian, yes? blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #7

This goes far beyond garden variety stupid. This is advanced stupid. Major Nikon Jan 2015 #8

I'm glad she told jack off. rug Jan 2015 #9

Thank you for adding this. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #10

That is so much bullshit from them edhopper Jan 2015 #11

They also said he's acting privately. Do you think they put him up to this? rug Jan 2015 #12

Yes I do edhopper Jan 2015 #13

Do you have evidence of this? rug Jan 2015 #14

No edhopper Jan 2015 #15

What do you think of this part? cbayer Jan 2015 #16

There is no distinction. rug Jan 2015 #17

But in this thread, DU members are supporting this baker while they cbayer Jan 2015 #19

No, you can't have it both ways. The oonly difference I see here is that this cake was overt hate sp rug Jan 2015 #31

I can see the distinction between refusing based on who a person is cbayer Jan 2015 #32

I think that would be sbject to an objective, "reasonble person" test. rug Jan 2015 #33

Ok, in the other article about this, she describes a scenario cbayer Jan 2015 #34

As long as she's selling to the public, no. rug Jan 2015 #39

The hardware store scenario is a really good one. cbayer Jan 2015 #40

I don't think that baker cold refuse to sell either. rug Jan 2015 #41

They call it pro per in California. cbayer Jan 2015 #43

Don't hesitate to get a lawyer if the interests at issue are serious. rug Jan 2015 #44

The difference is what is asked edhopper Jan 2015 #18

What if the other baker felt the order contained a vile message. cbayer Jan 2015 #20

Would you say the same edhopper Jan 2015 #21

Please do not make these assumptions about what I can cbayer Jan 2015 #22

I was portray extreme examples edhopper Jan 2015 #23

I do understand the difference between refusing service based on cbayer Jan 2015 #24

In cases like this edhopper Jan 2015 #25

I just posted an article that looks at this in more detail but cbayer Jan 2015 #26

I don't think you can refuse to sell a plain cake to anyone edhopper Jan 2015 #27

Ok, well that is a consistent position anyway. cbayer Jan 2015 #28

You could make the customer uncomfortable edhopper Jan 2015 #29

There is also a distinction between refusing based on religious cbayer Jan 2015 #30

Hah, I should have scrolled down a bit more first. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #57

Is this really that complicated? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #35

Clearly those are not the same things at all, but that cbayer Jan 2015 #36

What if a priest came in and ordered a hack-saw baked into a cake for his jailed pedophile friend? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #37

Asking someone to break the law is always grounds for refusal. cbayer Jan 2015 #38

It's the same issue. Major Nikon Jan 2015 #42

I'm not sure how that is connected to this case. cbayer Jan 2015 #45

Where do you draw the line on who can be ordered off the lunch counter? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #46

Right, the law prevents you from discriminating at the lunch counter. cbayer Jan 2015 #47

There is no "they" Major Nikon Jan 2015 #49

Read this part of the article cbayer Jan 2015 #48

So why did they specifically separate themselves from him? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #50

I think the entire thing is set up and that they planned for it to go this way. cbayer Jan 2015 #52

If their legal strategy is to prove they are morans, you might have something Major Nikon Jan 2015 #53

I think we are going around in circles at this point cbayer Jan 2015 #58

Yes. Life is complicated. rug Jan 2015 #51

I'm pretty sure the wedding cake for the gay couple Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #56

I see the distinction in these two cases, but there are many grey areas here cbayer Jan 2015 #59

Actually I do. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #60

WHile I believe you you have to sell them a cake, I don't think you can be forced to write a phrase hollysmom Jan 2015 #54

Sell him his bible cake Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #55

Ithink that would be OK, hollysmom Jan 2015 #61

If any bakery does make his cakes for him, kentauros Jan 2015 #62