Religion

zeemike

(18,998 posts)

98. I find really odd

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:08 AM

Apr 2012

That you say there are errors and you claim to know this how?...from reading accounts from that time?
so how do you explain that the Dead Sea Scrolls parts of the OT that were found are exactly like today's version?
Did they copied accurately the OT but not the NT?...and if they did why?
But I have seen this over and over again...claims that are not backed up with anything but speculation...usually by someone who is an expert on style of writing...which to me is really odd because style is nothing that is chiseled in stone and varies from place and time and just how people feel and is the most fungible of evidence.

But the truth is it don't matter if you think he did not say it...the words and the ideas they present stand on their own regardless of who wrote them or spoke them.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

138 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Where is Jesus in politics? [View all] cbayer Apr 2012 OP

Solid post. The Palm Sunday celebration is a case in point. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #1

I don't believe it was for the Romans he did that zeemike Apr 2012 #2

It was Rome that Jesus took on. When I get time, I'll detail his opposition. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #3

How can you detail his opposition when no extra-biblical source ever mentions him? cleanhippie Apr 2012 #4

But it'll be in his next book skepticscott Apr 2012 #8

Josephus, a 1st century Jewish-Roman historian, is often cited as an independent source. MissMarple Apr 2012 #136

Can't wait to hear it. zeemike Apr 2012 #5

I'm sure lots of folks want to argue about what SHOULD be, but here's what IS dmallind Apr 2012 #6

Well I take issue on one thing zeemike Apr 2012 #7

I disagree, not with your evidence but with your premise. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #9

But that is all for show. zeemike Apr 2012 #12

Do you follow everything Jesus said? trotsky Apr 2012 #13

I try to zeemike Apr 2012 #17

Loopholes! trotsky Apr 2012 #19

Rationalizing by quoting just what was said? zeemike Apr 2012 #24

Hmm... trotsky Apr 2012 #26

No, he/she's not saying that. I think Christians need to use a Buddhist technique... CJCRANE Apr 2012 #52

Thanks for your opinion. n/t trotsky Apr 2012 #58

I think I have learned never to quesrion somone else's esoteric experience--just to hear it. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #33

Yikes!! indeed. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #32

So Pew just made up their survey results? dmallind Apr 2012 #10

I am not questioning the survey zeemike Apr 2012 #14

You're not...but you are dmallind Apr 2012 #18

What are we talking about here? zeemike Apr 2012 #23

Ridicule? No! Just acknowledging your humanity dmallind Apr 2012 #35

Well it was not me that claimed to know that the DO love Jesus zeemike Apr 2012 #36

a) THEY claimed to know how they feel. Who else? dmallind Apr 2012 #38

Shees...talk about disassembling. zeemike Apr 2012 #39

Yes you are dissembling. dmallind Apr 2012 #46

I said nothing about their religiosity...you did. zeemike Apr 2012 #50

BS - "I question your [sic] assumptions that Conservatives feel close to Jesus" dmallind Apr 2012 #59

Zero evidence? zeemike Apr 2012 #67

You've already admitted there are things Jesus said that you don't follow. trotsky Apr 2012 #70

And what would that be? zeemike Apr 2012 #72

See? You're doing it! trotsky Apr 2012 #82

That's horse hockey. zeemike Apr 2012 #86

Excuses. Rationalization. trotsky Apr 2012 #88

It has nothing to do with what I think zeemike Apr 2012 #92

Are you saying Christians shouldn't strive to be perfect? trotsky Apr 2012 #93

Striving to be perfect is an individual trait. zeemike Apr 2012 #101

So you don't think Christians should try to be Christ-like? trotsky Apr 2012 #104

No they are not required to be zeemike Apr 2012 #107

I'm not saying they are required to be. trotsky Apr 2012 #109

So is the frequency with which someone quotes Jesus... trotsky Apr 2012 #11

No their actions are zeemike Apr 2012 #15

Ah, I see. trotsky Apr 2012 #16

Bullshit...they have no evidence from the words of Jesus. zeemike Apr 2012 #20

I am glad that you feel you are the world's expert in knowing what Jesus said. trotsky Apr 2012 #21

I never said I was an expert. zeemike Apr 2012 #22

Yet that is exactly what you're saying. trotsky Apr 2012 #25

So if I claim to understand his words I am an expert? zeemike Apr 2012 #28

You're the one who claims to understand his words better than other Christians do. trotsky Apr 2012 #29

So are you saying that you DO have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows? zeemike Apr 2012 #30

Sure, you all know how to read... trotsky Apr 2012 #34

Well I actually have been called a deceiver by right wing Christians. zeemike Apr 2012 #37

Yes, yes. trotsky Apr 2012 #42

Well I am not good. zeemike Apr 2012 #44

I'm not the one legitimizing Phelps and Robertson. You are. trotsky Apr 2012 #45

Well excuse me for saying it zeemike Apr 2012 #48

And Pat Robertson would say: trotsky Apr 2012 #49

And so you accept that as legitimate. zeemike Apr 2012 #53

There's plenty of stuff in the bible you ignore too. trotsky Apr 2012 #57

But let's go to the core - what did Christ do and what did he say? CJCRANE Apr 2012 #64

Yes, let's go to the core. trotsky Apr 2012 #65

That's all true CJCRANE Apr 2012 #66

He also cursed a tree, took out a whip to break up groups of people, trotsky Apr 2012 #68

Start with your neighbor and take it from there. CJCRANE Apr 2012 #73

LOL trotsky Apr 2012 #83

Name it. zeemike Apr 2012 #69

But you have no response to offer. That's the problem. trotsky Apr 2012 #71

No everyone else is not wrong. zeemike Apr 2012 #74

That's not what you're saying though. trotsky Apr 2012 #81

So now I have some hidden meaning in what I said? zeemike Apr 2012 #90

I love the context distraction! How many times is John 3:16 quoted out of context? trotsky Apr 2012 #91

I will be happy to. zeemike Apr 2012 #97

You're missing the point completely. trotsky Apr 2012 #99

Well context is everything. zeemike Apr 2012 #105

You absolutely are justifying the execution of adulterers. trotsky Apr 2012 #108

I was saying what was not what I thought was good. zeemike Apr 2012 #112

You said there was a time when it was appropriate. trotsky Apr 2012 #120

I did not say that and you know it. zeemike Apr 2012 #123

You absolutely did and I'm sorry you don't like it being pointed out. trotsky Apr 2012 #125

So you changed correct that to approve of? zeemike Apr 2012 #126

When we switched over to DU3, I purged my ignore list. trotsky Apr 2012 #129

You are the one making the odd claim that you have some actual words of this Jesus to know. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #84

So you think that it is an odd thing zeemike Apr 2012 #85

Yes, it's a very odd thing. trotsky Apr 2012 #87

Makes no difference at all. zeemike Apr 2012 #94

Are you kidding me? Really? It makes all the difference in the world! trotsky Apr 2012 #95

Well first let me establish that I don't give a shit how you see me. zeemike Apr 2012 #100

Clearly you're not here for your image. trotsky Apr 2012 #103

You got it...I don't need image. zeemike Apr 2012 #114

Don't know how to break this to you, and you won't accept it anyway... trotsky Apr 2012 #119

there you go again saying things you cannot back up with facts zeemike Apr 2012 #122

I knew you wouldn't accept it from me. trotsky Apr 2012 #124

And Stalin and Lenin agree with you...so what? zeemike Apr 2012 #127

When it's cental to the discussion at hand, you bet. trotsky Apr 2012 #128

It is not a red hearing at all zeemike Apr 2012 #132

yes, seeing as how the words were written long after this person died. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #96

I find really odd zeemike Apr 2012 #98

well for example Mark is just full of geographical errors Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #102

The bible is perfect and there are no errors SO STOP SAYING THAT! trotsky Apr 2012 #106

I have heard those same complaints for the last 30 years zeemike Apr 2012 #113

Critical analysis of the gospels goes back a bit further than 30 years Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #118

Yes I know but I never paid attention to it until then. zeemike Apr 2012 #121

Ah... the "real Christians" argument... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #40

Well it sounds familiar to me zeemike Apr 2012 #43

You're right, they are trying to run you round in circles. CJCRANE Apr 2012 #54

Thanks ...I thought I was all alone here in the firing line. zeemike Apr 2012 #56

And the millions of other devout Christians who disagree? dmallind Apr 2012 #60

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Pay your taxes. nt CJCRANE Apr 2012 #63

In other words, Jesus said nothing we couldn't figured out ourselves RE politics. nt Joseph8th Apr 2012 #76

The only circles here are the ones with zeemike's logic. trotsky Apr 2012 #89

That has been my experience as well. cbayer Apr 2012 #27

Isn't the story of the Apocalypse... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #41

Read the epistles too dmallind Apr 2012 #47

The discussion is specifically about the sayings and actions of *Jesus* nt CJCRANE Apr 2012 #55

Yeah - who specifically said what about polirics? dmallind Apr 2012 #61

We can fight them on their own terms. They do not follow the majority of the things Jesus said CJCRANE Apr 2012 #62

It's the "Real Christians" argument, again... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #75

There is a substantial number of both individuals and groups doing exactly what you ask - cbayer Apr 2012 #77

For example?... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #78

People post about it all the time here. cbayer Apr 2012 #79

Progressive Christians Uniting is a multi- denominational, multi congregational group in this area, Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #130

Historically this comes and goes in waves, depending on what is happening in society. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #31

Can't speak for other congregations, but... jeepnstein Apr 2012 #51

At best Jesus was apolitical, and frankly I don't see the relevence of a 2000 year old... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #80

Loaded, as usual. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #110

I wasn't being sarcastic, I simply don't see the relevance of a character in a story... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #111

How I wish you were only mildly acquainted with what is really going on in churches outside of CA. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #115

That's becasue you hate it so much you haven't taken the effort to really listen to what is going on Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #116

Venture out of your comfort zone. See the nation as it is, not as you wish it were. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #117

I know the Christian movement widely from the inside,. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #131

Oh, nothing you've said? Really? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #133

This winter I spent 13 Sundays as an anonymous visitor to those churches. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #134

I can't find one, and that's the biggest part of my point. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #135

You are speaking out of ignorance. I was appaled by much of what I found. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #137

And you, out of arrogance, born of willful blindness. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #138