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okasha

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109. You've come close to quoting some posters here verbatim.

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:25 AM

Feb 2015

I won't call anyone out by name, but they are rather obvious. The type of post you doescribe as a hypothetical isn't hypothetical at all.

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The Chapel Hill murderer of Muslims is an atheist. [View all] kwassa Feb 2015 OP

That's the claim! atreides1 Feb 2015 #1

Here: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #3

And your point is what, other than a lame attempt skepticscott Feb 2015 #2

even atheists can hate.... chillfactor Feb 2015 #4

Gee...no kidding skepticscott Feb 2015 #5

"Does every single murder committed by a Christian anywhere warrant a thread here too? kwassa Feb 2015 #8

Actually, it would be impossible to post them all. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #9

Executing three people with shots to the head over a parking spot? kwassa Feb 2015 #11

Are you new to America? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #14

I think all of us atheists need to send a message. trotsky Feb 2015 #15

It's probably there in code somewhere. bvf Feb 2015 #21

You know, Trotsky, the guy whose name you picked thucythucy Feb 2015 #107

Sorry, I didn't pick it to honor Leon Trotsky. trotsky Feb 2015 #115

Of course you didn't. Starboard Tack Feb 2015 #118

Fair enough. nt. thucythucy Feb 2015 #130

Trust me, if DU ever has another amnesty name change, I'm going to take advantage of it. trotsky Feb 2015 #134

You're welcome. thucythucy Feb 2015 #138

so, you are a pro-gunner, too? I see the defensiveness of this and atheism. kwassa Feb 2015 #19

So far the police have said his thoughts on religion weren't at issue. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #25

Where did they say that? All I've seen is that the primary motivation seemed to be kwassa Feb 2015 #49

"If someone executes 3 people over a parking space, something else is in the mix." AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #52

I agree! I don't buy the story the authorities are pushing. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #17

'Pushing'? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #26

There are no hard facts yet but the authorities are saying they think it was over the spot. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #30

I'm shocked as well. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #51

I don't take him at his word. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #72

Fine. But you are investing a positive claim into his true motive. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #82

Considering his alleged attitudes on religion are I think it is a reasonable assumption. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #83

Indeed I have. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #84

Well we shall see. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #85

I agree. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #86

If it is it does not reflect upon anyone but the guy himself. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #87

I find it surprising anyone would be shocked by this. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #57

The father of the victim does not believe it was over a parking spot. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #73

I guess that settles it, then. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #76

No but I believe him over the murderer. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #77

So I've read. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #80

You don't know what the father has to bring. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #81

Nor do the neighbors okasha Feb 2015 #106

Agreed! This could be a capital crime so he will do anything to avoid a death sentence. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #108

Your constant appeals to ignorance are starting to tire me. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #122

Then we no longer need to address one another. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #125

I linked downthread to a recent story Mariana Feb 2015 #112

Is that all you have? Seriously? skepticscott Feb 2015 #16

This crime might well be motivated by or committed in the name of atheism. kwassa Feb 2015 #20

Please enlighten us skepticscott Feb 2015 #23

Wow, just wow scott! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #24

Sacred texts are not necessarry. Beliefs don't require texts. kwassa Feb 2015 #47

The belief that witches should be killed comes straight from your holy text. trotsky Feb 2015 #53

As noted, you're still baffled skepticscott Feb 2015 #55

No. kwassa Feb 2015 #64

You will never get a straight answer... rexcat Feb 2015 #161

Don't forget the body butter. rug Feb 2015 #167

Personally... rexcat Feb 2015 #174

One of the perks of aging. rug Feb 2015 #175

Point anywhere you want, then skepticscott Feb 2015 #56

It only has to be one belief held by one athiest. kwassa Feb 2015 #65

Um...no skepticscott Feb 2015 #70

It might have to do with atheism. kwassa Feb 2015 #89

As I said, you really need to try harder skepticscott Feb 2015 #94

My response makes sense. Yours does not. kwassa Feb 2015 #96

STILL waiting for your point on this skepticscott Feb 2015 #123

I answered your question directly yesterday. See post # 95. kwassa Feb 2015 #128

And your answer skepticscott Feb 2015 #131

I disagree, of course. You are incorrect in several ways. kwassa Feb 2015 #136

Maybe it's simply enabling extremists. rug Feb 2015 #62

You say 'possibility' but it sounds like you're saying 'hope'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #29

You mean like those murders committed in the name of not collecting stamps? mr blur Feb 2015 #152

Hick's atheistic and anti-religious beliefs could have led him to these murders. kwassa Feb 2015 #155

Sad to say outside Feb 2015 #59

The point is it is news! i expected this response from you. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #6

Some of the initial reports speculated Christian fundamentalism... pipoman Feb 2015 #7

While I would never Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #67

Yes, it is flame bait skepticscott Feb 2015 #68

How so? Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #97

In case you missed it Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #133

It is a national news story. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #74

I don't mind the posting of the story Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #98

Well the motives are important to sentencing and the charges. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #99

Um..no skepticscott Feb 2015 #153

I'm with you on Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #176

Thank you for your honest assessment. trotsky Feb 2015 #178

Of course, this is all a consequence skepticscott Feb 2015 #185

I don't buy it was only over a psrking spot. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #10

I know, evidence doesn't do much for some people. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #12

I don't take this guys word on anything. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #13

Oh I suspect you'd be happy to take his word if he said his motive was religion.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Feb 2015 #42

Sorry, do you mean if he admitted hd did it because of religion? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #43

People have committed murder over dog poop in their yard. Mariana Feb 2015 #58

One thing believers and MellowDem Feb 2015 #18

Some anti-theists are dogmatically anti-religious. kwassa Feb 2015 #22

Maybe some are... MellowDem Feb 2015 #28

You're wrong. It has very much to do with their athiesm. kwassa Feb 2015 #46

Hating religion is fine... MellowDem Feb 2015 #50

but there is clearly a logical connection between hating religion and atheism. kwassa Feb 2015 #90

Generally... MellowDem Feb 2015 #104

True, but ... kwassa Feb 2015 #105

If it looks like an equivocation and quacks like an equivocation... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #121

I have asked you to spell out the equivocation before. kwassa Feb 2015 #127

And your question has been answered before. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #144

Oh well. You can't explain it. O.K. kwassa Feb 2015 #145

It's self-explanatory. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #188

Before you embarrass yourself any further skepticscott Feb 2015 #33

Your penchant for launching into personal attacks shows the weakness of your arguments. kwassa Feb 2015 #37

I pointed out the fact that your failed attempt at an argument skepticscott Feb 2015 #40

Try again. You haven't demolished any argument of mine. kwassa Feb 2015 #48

That's only because you have yet skepticscott Feb 2015 #54

You are a piece of work. kwassa Feb 2015 #63

When you have an actual argument skepticscott Feb 2015 #69

Pot. Kettle. Black. kwassa Feb 2015 #91

Well said! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #92

You were asked a direct question in Post #2 skepticscott Feb 2015 #93

Shall we take a look at your "direct question"? kwassa Feb 2015 #95

His corner should throw in the towel before it gets any worse. rug Feb 2015 #100

no, he'll just dig his hole deeper .... kwassa Feb 2015 #101

If it looks like an equivocation and quacks like an equivocation... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #35

Point out the equivocation. kwassa Feb 2015 #38

Hint: trotsky Feb 2015 #41

This is very true and I have never encountered this in real life but on the Internet. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #36

Hey ... I'm an atheist! Trajan Feb 2015 #27

Did the op say you were? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #32

You need some context. Promethean Feb 2015 #78

Yes I do know what it is like. beling religious on this site is not easy and the headline is accurat hrmjustin Feb 2015 #79

Being on DU is very little like real life and that you would conflate the two says much Fumesucker Feb 2015 #113

Well as a gay man I know what discriminayion is so I have sympathy for what atheists hrmjustin Feb 2015 #116

You've come close to quoting some posters here verbatim. okasha Feb 2015 #109

Every time? Everybody? cbayer Feb 2015 #129

Being an atheist and an anti-theist does not mean you are a ticking time bomb Starboard Tack Feb 2015 #88

As if a fundy executed three Muslims in this manner BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #31

Agreed! I sadly expected it from some here. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #34

My initial reaction was that is was a low-information fox "news" viewer or the like.... truebrit71 Feb 2015 #44

Very true BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #45

Let's do a quick analysis. Among the known facts are these: struggle4progress Feb 2015 #60

I'm sure the usual psychoscolds skepticscott Feb 2015 #61

Oh but his hatred of religion and religious people had nothing to do with it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #75

Same way we are told EvilAL Feb 2015 #114

Well there is always a question of mental illness in these situations. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #117

There definitely is. EvilAL Feb 2015 #146

What would that be? cbayer Feb 2015 #149

It could be a number of things EvilAL Feb 2015 #163

I guess I am not really getting your point. cbayer Feb 2015 #180

I was referring to EvilAL Feb 2015 #189

People that do things like this to other people generally do have mental problems. cbayer Feb 2015 #190

The need for better mental health programs need to be discussed. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #151

For sure. EvilAL Feb 2015 #164

Well state programs are secular by nature. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #165

That's good. EvilAL Feb 2015 #166

Well i guess in that situation those are the only options. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #168

I think the first option would be harder EvilAL Feb 2015 #171

Do you have any experience with the mental health system? cbayer Feb 2015 #182

I have minimal experience dealing EvilAL Feb 2015 #191

Whether someone has delusional beliefs or not is a complicated issue cbayer Feb 2015 #192

No. I'm not blaming religion for people's delusions EvilAL Feb 2015 #193

If someone kills their kids, there is generally much more than cbayer Feb 2015 #194

If someone kills for god EvilAL Feb 2015 #195

If someone kills because they have come to believe that the CIA has implanted a chip cbayer Feb 2015 #196

Very unfortunate Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #66

Tragic. He's a cold blooded killer and it doesn't matter what may cbayer Feb 2015 #71

I am sure his hero dick dawkins DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #102

Actually, to give Dawkins credit, he spoke against it right away. kwassa Feb 2015 #103

ok then DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #110

While Dawkins did issue a statement, the victim's father cbayer Feb 2015 #120

Why the fuck is Richard Dawkins obligated skepticscott Feb 2015 #124

He isn't obligated, however the murderer cited Dawkins as an influence. kwassa Feb 2015 #132

Lots of criminals have people they were influenced by in their lives skepticscott Feb 2015 #135

Dawkins was not obligated. He choose to do so. kwassa Feb 2015 #137

Not according to the person I was responding to skepticscott Feb 2015 #141

Oh, and by the way, Dawkins did not "choose" to skepticscott Feb 2015 #154

How do you know Dawkins felt strong pressure to do this? What proof do you have of this? kwassa Feb 2015 #156

It was just explained to you skepticscott Feb 2015 #157

You have an interesting notion of proof. Proof is whatever you think is true. kwassa Feb 2015 #159

It's Ok to admit skepticscott Feb 2015 #160

You have no proof Dawkins was under any pressure. You just made that up. kwassa Feb 2015 #162

The evidence is that skepticscott Feb 2015 #169

This is not evidence, this is your supposition, as I said. kwassa Feb 2015 #170

As I said, it's Ok to admit skepticscott Feb 2015 #172

You are the illogical one. This adds to the myth of the rationality of atheists. kwassa Feb 2015 #173

... Craig Stephen Hicks, 46, describes himself as a "gun toting" atheist. Neighbors say struggle4progress Feb 2015 #111

Pretty classic. Man with anger management problems and bigoted cbayer Feb 2015 #119

It's not a religion. But yeah, you're right. He's an atheist. Iggo Feb 2015 #126

The distinction, of course, is that he didn't have a magic god-written book telling him to kill. n/ Gore1FL Feb 2015 #139

Shhh! trotsky Feb 2015 #140

There is no distinction. cbayer Feb 2015 #142

But the bible does contain verses that command killing. trotsky Feb 2015 #143

Ahem! The word of the Parking God, perhaps. Starboard Tack Feb 2015 #150

No athiest does things to because God told them to. Gore1FL Feb 2015 #147

No, there is no distinction. cbayer Feb 2015 #148

Funny you should equate people doing things skepticscott Feb 2015 #158

If there was dogma driving hte man, then he didn't do it out of atheism. Gore1FL Feb 2015 #179

There are atheists with dogma and there are theists without it. cbayer Feb 2015 #181

Atheist dogma, lol Gore1FL Feb 2015 #186

Don't stop laughing! I've got more. See you around the campfire. cbayer Feb 2015 #187

She's simply equivocating, of course. trotsky Feb 2015 #184

Murderous hypocrisy - Everything he advocates in the excerpt is the exact opposite of what he did ck4829 Feb 2015 #177

Really interesting analysis. cbayer Feb 2015 #183