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158. Funny you should equate people doing things

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 08:34 PM

Feb 2015

because they think the voice of "god" is in their heads telling them to, and people doing things because the CIA is mind-controlling them. We regard the latter types as mentally ill and prescribe psychiatric treatment. And yet you have argued incessantly that the same judgement applied to the former is bigoted and totally unjustifiable.

Odd, that.

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The Chapel Hill murderer of Muslims is an atheist. [View all] kwassa Feb 2015 OP

That's the claim! atreides1 Feb 2015 #1

Here: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #3

And your point is what, other than a lame attempt skepticscott Feb 2015 #2

even atheists can hate.... chillfactor Feb 2015 #4

Gee...no kidding skepticscott Feb 2015 #5

"Does every single murder committed by a Christian anywhere warrant a thread here too? kwassa Feb 2015 #8

Actually, it would be impossible to post them all. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #9

Executing three people with shots to the head over a parking spot? kwassa Feb 2015 #11

Are you new to America? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #14

I think all of us atheists need to send a message. trotsky Feb 2015 #15

It's probably there in code somewhere. bvf Feb 2015 #21

You know, Trotsky, the guy whose name you picked thucythucy Feb 2015 #107

Sorry, I didn't pick it to honor Leon Trotsky. trotsky Feb 2015 #115

Of course you didn't. Starboard Tack Feb 2015 #118

Fair enough. nt. thucythucy Feb 2015 #130

Trust me, if DU ever has another amnesty name change, I'm going to take advantage of it. trotsky Feb 2015 #134

You're welcome. thucythucy Feb 2015 #138

so, you are a pro-gunner, too? I see the defensiveness of this and atheism. kwassa Feb 2015 #19

So far the police have said his thoughts on religion weren't at issue. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #25

Where did they say that? All I've seen is that the primary motivation seemed to be kwassa Feb 2015 #49

"If someone executes 3 people over a parking space, something else is in the mix." AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #52

I agree! I don't buy the story the authorities are pushing. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #17

'Pushing'? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #26

There are no hard facts yet but the authorities are saying they think it was over the spot. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #30

I'm shocked as well. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #51

I don't take him at his word. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #72

Fine. But you are investing a positive claim into his true motive. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #82

Considering his alleged attitudes on religion are I think it is a reasonable assumption. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #83

Indeed I have. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #84

Well we shall see. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #85

I agree. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #86

If it is it does not reflect upon anyone but the guy himself. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #87

I find it surprising anyone would be shocked by this. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #57

The father of the victim does not believe it was over a parking spot. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #73

I guess that settles it, then. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #76

No but I believe him over the murderer. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #77

So I've read. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #80

You don't know what the father has to bring. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #81

Nor do the neighbors okasha Feb 2015 #106

Agreed! This could be a capital crime so he will do anything to avoid a death sentence. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #108

Your constant appeals to ignorance are starting to tire me. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #122

Then we no longer need to address one another. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #125

I linked downthread to a recent story Mariana Feb 2015 #112

Is that all you have? Seriously? skepticscott Feb 2015 #16

This crime might well be motivated by or committed in the name of atheism. kwassa Feb 2015 #20

Please enlighten us skepticscott Feb 2015 #23

Wow, just wow scott! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #24

Sacred texts are not necessarry. Beliefs don't require texts. kwassa Feb 2015 #47

The belief that witches should be killed comes straight from your holy text. trotsky Feb 2015 #53

As noted, you're still baffled skepticscott Feb 2015 #55

No. kwassa Feb 2015 #64

You will never get a straight answer... rexcat Feb 2015 #161

Don't forget the body butter. rug Feb 2015 #167

Personally... rexcat Feb 2015 #174

One of the perks of aging. rug Feb 2015 #175

Point anywhere you want, then skepticscott Feb 2015 #56

It only has to be one belief held by one athiest. kwassa Feb 2015 #65

Um...no skepticscott Feb 2015 #70

It might have to do with atheism. kwassa Feb 2015 #89

As I said, you really need to try harder skepticscott Feb 2015 #94

My response makes sense. Yours does not. kwassa Feb 2015 #96

STILL waiting for your point on this skepticscott Feb 2015 #123

I answered your question directly yesterday. See post # 95. kwassa Feb 2015 #128

And your answer skepticscott Feb 2015 #131

I disagree, of course. You are incorrect in several ways. kwassa Feb 2015 #136

Maybe it's simply enabling extremists. rug Feb 2015 #62

You say 'possibility' but it sounds like you're saying 'hope'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #29

You mean like those murders committed in the name of not collecting stamps? mr blur Feb 2015 #152

Hick's atheistic and anti-religious beliefs could have led him to these murders. kwassa Feb 2015 #155

Sad to say outside Feb 2015 #59

The point is it is news! i expected this response from you. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #6

Some of the initial reports speculated Christian fundamentalism... pipoman Feb 2015 #7

While I would never Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #67

Yes, it is flame bait skepticscott Feb 2015 #68

How so? Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #97

In case you missed it Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #133

It is a national news story. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #74

I don't mind the posting of the story Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #98

Well the motives are important to sentencing and the charges. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #99

Um..no skepticscott Feb 2015 #153

I'm with you on Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #176

Thank you for your honest assessment. trotsky Feb 2015 #178

Of course, this is all a consequence skepticscott Feb 2015 #185

I don't buy it was only over a psrking spot. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #10

I know, evidence doesn't do much for some people. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #12

I don't take this guys word on anything. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #13

Oh I suspect you'd be happy to take his word if he said his motive was religion.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Feb 2015 #42

Sorry, do you mean if he admitted hd did it because of religion? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #43

People have committed murder over dog poop in their yard. Mariana Feb 2015 #58

One thing believers and MellowDem Feb 2015 #18

Some anti-theists are dogmatically anti-religious. kwassa Feb 2015 #22

Maybe some are... MellowDem Feb 2015 #28

You're wrong. It has very much to do with their athiesm. kwassa Feb 2015 #46

Hating religion is fine... MellowDem Feb 2015 #50

but there is clearly a logical connection between hating religion and atheism. kwassa Feb 2015 #90

Generally... MellowDem Feb 2015 #104

True, but ... kwassa Feb 2015 #105

If it looks like an equivocation and quacks like an equivocation... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #121

I have asked you to spell out the equivocation before. kwassa Feb 2015 #127

And your question has been answered before. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #144

Oh well. You can't explain it. O.K. kwassa Feb 2015 #145

It's self-explanatory. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #188

Before you embarrass yourself any further skepticscott Feb 2015 #33

Your penchant for launching into personal attacks shows the weakness of your arguments. kwassa Feb 2015 #37

I pointed out the fact that your failed attempt at an argument skepticscott Feb 2015 #40

Try again. You haven't demolished any argument of mine. kwassa Feb 2015 #48

That's only because you have yet skepticscott Feb 2015 #54

You are a piece of work. kwassa Feb 2015 #63

When you have an actual argument skepticscott Feb 2015 #69

Pot. Kettle. Black. kwassa Feb 2015 #91

Well said! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #92

You were asked a direct question in Post #2 skepticscott Feb 2015 #93

Shall we take a look at your "direct question"? kwassa Feb 2015 #95

His corner should throw in the towel before it gets any worse. rug Feb 2015 #100

no, he'll just dig his hole deeper .... kwassa Feb 2015 #101

If it looks like an equivocation and quacks like an equivocation... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #35

Point out the equivocation. kwassa Feb 2015 #38

Hint: trotsky Feb 2015 #41

This is very true and I have never encountered this in real life but on the Internet. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #36

Hey ... I'm an atheist! Trajan Feb 2015 #27

Did the op say you were? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #32

You need some context. Promethean Feb 2015 #78

Yes I do know what it is like. beling religious on this site is not easy and the headline is accurat hrmjustin Feb 2015 #79

Being on DU is very little like real life and that you would conflate the two says much Fumesucker Feb 2015 #113

Well as a gay man I know what discriminayion is so I have sympathy for what atheists hrmjustin Feb 2015 #116

You've come close to quoting some posters here verbatim. okasha Feb 2015 #109

Every time? Everybody? cbayer Feb 2015 #129

Being an atheist and an anti-theist does not mean you are a ticking time bomb Starboard Tack Feb 2015 #88

As if a fundy executed three Muslims in this manner BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #31

Agreed! I sadly expected it from some here. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #34

My initial reaction was that is was a low-information fox "news" viewer or the like.... truebrit71 Feb 2015 #44

Very true BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #45

Let's do a quick analysis. Among the known facts are these: struggle4progress Feb 2015 #60

I'm sure the usual psychoscolds skepticscott Feb 2015 #61

Oh but his hatred of religion and religious people had nothing to do with it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #75

Same way we are told EvilAL Feb 2015 #114

Well there is always a question of mental illness in these situations. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #117

There definitely is. EvilAL Feb 2015 #146

What would that be? cbayer Feb 2015 #149

It could be a number of things EvilAL Feb 2015 #163

I guess I am not really getting your point. cbayer Feb 2015 #180

I was referring to EvilAL Feb 2015 #189

People that do things like this to other people generally do have mental problems. cbayer Feb 2015 #190

The need for better mental health programs need to be discussed. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #151

For sure. EvilAL Feb 2015 #164

Well state programs are secular by nature. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #165

That's good. EvilAL Feb 2015 #166

Well i guess in that situation those are the only options. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #168

I think the first option would be harder EvilAL Feb 2015 #171

Do you have any experience with the mental health system? cbayer Feb 2015 #182

I have minimal experience dealing EvilAL Feb 2015 #191

Whether someone has delusional beliefs or not is a complicated issue cbayer Feb 2015 #192

No. I'm not blaming religion for people's delusions EvilAL Feb 2015 #193

If someone kills their kids, there is generally much more than cbayer Feb 2015 #194

If someone kills for god EvilAL Feb 2015 #195

If someone kills because they have come to believe that the CIA has implanted a chip cbayer Feb 2015 #196

Very unfortunate Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #66

Tragic. He's a cold blooded killer and it doesn't matter what may cbayer Feb 2015 #71

I am sure his hero dick dawkins DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #102

Actually, to give Dawkins credit, he spoke against it right away. kwassa Feb 2015 #103

ok then DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #110

While Dawkins did issue a statement, the victim's father cbayer Feb 2015 #120

Why the fuck is Richard Dawkins obligated skepticscott Feb 2015 #124

He isn't obligated, however the murderer cited Dawkins as an influence. kwassa Feb 2015 #132

Lots of criminals have people they were influenced by in their lives skepticscott Feb 2015 #135

Dawkins was not obligated. He choose to do so. kwassa Feb 2015 #137

Not according to the person I was responding to skepticscott Feb 2015 #141

Oh, and by the way, Dawkins did not "choose" to skepticscott Feb 2015 #154

How do you know Dawkins felt strong pressure to do this? What proof do you have of this? kwassa Feb 2015 #156

It was just explained to you skepticscott Feb 2015 #157

You have an interesting notion of proof. Proof is whatever you think is true. kwassa Feb 2015 #159

It's Ok to admit skepticscott Feb 2015 #160

You have no proof Dawkins was under any pressure. You just made that up. kwassa Feb 2015 #162

The evidence is that skepticscott Feb 2015 #169

This is not evidence, this is your supposition, as I said. kwassa Feb 2015 #170

As I said, it's Ok to admit skepticscott Feb 2015 #172

You are the illogical one. This adds to the myth of the rationality of atheists. kwassa Feb 2015 #173

... Craig Stephen Hicks, 46, describes himself as a "gun toting" atheist. Neighbors say struggle4progress Feb 2015 #111

Pretty classic. Man with anger management problems and bigoted cbayer Feb 2015 #119

It's not a religion. But yeah, you're right. He's an atheist. Iggo Feb 2015 #126

The distinction, of course, is that he didn't have a magic god-written book telling him to kill. n/ Gore1FL Feb 2015 #139

Shhh! trotsky Feb 2015 #140

There is no distinction. cbayer Feb 2015 #142

But the bible does contain verses that command killing. trotsky Feb 2015 #143

Ahem! The word of the Parking God, perhaps. Starboard Tack Feb 2015 #150

No athiest does things to because God told them to. Gore1FL Feb 2015 #147

No, there is no distinction. cbayer Feb 2015 #148

Funny you should equate people doing things skepticscott Feb 2015 #158

If there was dogma driving hte man, then he didn't do it out of atheism. Gore1FL Feb 2015 #179

There are atheists with dogma and there are theists without it. cbayer Feb 2015 #181

Atheist dogma, lol Gore1FL Feb 2015 #186

Don't stop laughing! I've got more. See you around the campfire. cbayer Feb 2015 #187

She's simply equivocating, of course. trotsky Feb 2015 #184

Murderous hypocrisy - Everything he advocates in the excerpt is the exact opposite of what he did ck4829 Feb 2015 #177

Really interesting analysis. cbayer Feb 2015 #183