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Response to edhopper (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:44 PM

18. To me, they aren't legitimate if they're stuck in their narrow POV. Good grief.

 

I keep forgetting that posters here are so convinced that they're right about something that they can't really have a discussion.

Yet I try, it's good exercise.

One might want to think that all science and all scientist are infallible because, well, "science". That and, "religion bad!".

Well, it turns out that just as not all religions are bad and not all religious beliefs are wrong, some scientists aren't right and some aren't particularly "good".

So here, I used a Google just for you. I want to be sure you at least understand what I'm saying, even if you don't agree with it.

What does fundamentalism mean in Science?

We know what fundamentalism means in religion: it is people hanging desperately onto their beliefs, denying any discussion or idea that might challenge those beliefs. Typically it means going beyond taking a measured and balanced interpretation of the doctrine, and instead taking a literal, inflexible and hard-line one. It is also associated with a hostile reaction to anyone with competing ideas.

Looking beneath the surface, we might say that the members have detected that the days are numbered for their religion, that there are too many inconsistencies coming to the surface and too many challenges to the authority of its leaders. Rather than face the pain and personal turmoil of admitting that their investment of faith in their religion was misguided, they go in the opposite direction, holding on ever more tightly. This is a vicious cycle -- as they become ever more tightly invested in their beliefs it becomes ever more painful to consider that they were wrong, reinforcing the problem.

Now then to Science. Science should have no need for fundamentalism, after all it is a system of beliefs that has had enormous success, making predictions which have led to the development of the technologies on which our entire world runs. Scientists should be walking around with a big smile on their faces, saying, "Look at what we have achieved."

But still there are growing signs of fundamentalism, people rigidly holding onto beliefs that they consider to be scientific without accepting any discussion on their validity. This is most obvious at the edges of Science, where it meets other systems of knowledge which it judges to be sub-standard. However, there are signs of fundamentalism even in some at the top of their profession.

http://uazu.net/notes/pseudo.html


Finally, let me just say this:

Not all religions are evil Christianity, and not all Science is right.

If we can't agree with at least that much, then there's little point in talking about these things.

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