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AtheistCrusader

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70. He's not talking about households. He's talking about state schools.

Reply to Buzz Clik (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 02:15 PM

Feb 2015

Helps to actually read the article/watch the video.

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Richard Dawkins: Children need to be �protected� from religion [View all] cbayer Feb 2015 OP

People need to be protected from idealogs who wish to take pipoman Feb 2015 #1

What do you think about parents telling their children... trotsky Feb 2015 #3

They will get what they deserve....estrangement from their kids... pipoman Feb 2015 #8

That is hardly guaranteed. trotsky Feb 2015 #9

Children suffer all the time... pipoman Feb 2015 #90

Yes, which is why we do things to help. trotsky Feb 2015 #93

We are all entitled to our opinions pipoman Feb 2015 #110

So the Mormon cults where they marry young kids? Is that OK? Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #115

Every state has standards for what constitutes "abuse" few disagree with . .. pipoman Feb 2015 #175

Personally I draw the line at child abuse Lordquinton Feb 2015 #154

Some would say raising a child a vegetarian is abuse, pipoman Feb 2015 #174

Enjoy the view from your ivory tower. trotsky Feb 2015 #182

I agree that this is a very slippery slope. cbayer Feb 2015 #4

Why don't you try asking him? Try actually finding something out skepticscott Feb 2015 #6

Well, my friend, that's a bit of a straw man. longship Feb 2015 #7

Dawkins' position about children's inherent lack of belief really has no basis in fact. cbayer Feb 2015 #10

Re: balancing the rights of parents. longship Feb 2015 #17

When you say "secular education", do you then exclude all parochial schools? cbayer Feb 2015 #21

I would argue that the Jesuits do a very fine job at secular education. longship Feb 2015 #45

I agree with much of what you say. cbayer Feb 2015 #55

When you say "parochial education", are you talking about state-funded education muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #79

I think we use different terminology in the states. cbayer Feb 2015 #83

"Public schools are publicly funded. Private schools are not." trotsky Feb 2015 #85

I've only seen the edited video in the OP muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #87

I can't disagree, but I think he missed a great opportunity cbayer Feb 2015 #92

The transcript of that bit is in #20 muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #96

What is being proposed that would eliminate a parent's right cbayer Feb 2015 #97

The state doesn't provide denominational schools in the USA, though muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #98

That's good news, right? cbayer Feb 2015 #101

Dawkins' position about children's inherent lack of belief really has no basis in fact. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #161

Well, since i assume you are someone who relies on facts and reason cbayer Feb 2015 #181

No, cbayer, the issue really *is* whether children are born with a specific religion. trotsky Feb 2015 #183

In agreement here. Kids will eventually saltpoint Feb 2015 #213

Ooooo. You said 'brainwashed' !! saltpoint Feb 2015 #214

Freaked out? Hardly. cbayer Feb 2015 #215

Yeah, but you know, what you're fond of saltpoint Feb 2015 #216

You asked me why I didn't like him, and I gave you my reasons. cbayer Feb 2015 #217

He's gotten under your skin, looks like. saltpoint Feb 2015 #218

Under my skin? Screaming in the streets? cbayer Feb 2015 #219

Just can't help but notice how saltpoint Feb 2015 #221

He doesn't annoy me. I disagree with him on multiple issues cbayer Feb 2015 #222

Three articles on Dawkins in a month? saltpoint Feb 2015 #223

Yes, out of over 60. cbayer Feb 2015 #224

Didn't think you could handle it. saltpoint Feb 2015 #225

Yes, I am fully defeated, have only petty points, am very small and cbayer Feb 2015 #226

Don't turn tail, now. You posted the saltpoint Feb 2015 #228

How dare Dawkins come out against thousands of years of dogma and brainwashed minds. randys1 Feb 2015 #227

Yep. the sheer outrage of an intelligent saltpoint Feb 2015 #229

You can see it with who you are arguing with, they are uncomfortable, uncertain. randys1 Feb 2015 #230

And that makes sense in the way a humane saltpoint Feb 2015 #232

Yes, yes. I am very uncomfortable, very uncertain. cbayer Feb 2015 #233

You're the one passing judgment. saltpoint Feb 2015 #234

Dogma is another of my favorite films. cbayer Feb 2015 #231

They are born non believers phil89 Feb 2015 #60

Do you have any evidence at all to support your statement. cbayer Feb 2015 #62

Besides the entirety of human history gcomeau Feb 2015 #100

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. cbayer Feb 2015 #104

But evidence of absence is evidence of absence. gcomeau Feb 2015 #107

Not posting any more than this F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #113

I disagree very much with you and do not think it is utterly ridiculous at all. cbayer Feb 2015 #121

Well, we disagree then. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #143

Yes, you have made it clear that you think it's preposterous. cbayer Feb 2015 #144

There is a predisposition to faith in general, but you are correct. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #146

Thanks for the link. nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #149

You are confusing predisposition to faith, and innate knowledge of organized faith. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #145

Yes. This thread would have gotten off saltpoint Feb 2015 #171

"kind of a sour whiff" - saltpoint, you have a way with understatement. :) trotsky Feb 2015 #180

Hi, trotsky. Yep. Dawkins has only to walk saltpoint Feb 2015 #212

Behavior and knowledge are not the same skepticscott Feb 2015 #185

BASICALLY EVERYTHING AlbertCat Feb 2015 #162

Please reacquaint yourself with the word "knowledge". gcomeau Feb 2015 #163

I know what knowledge means..... Mr Snarky AlbertCat Feb 2015 #165

Yup. That's basically my opinion, too. But Santa is a different story... ;-) nt longship Feb 2015 #65

Religious belief is of course learned...Some of these folks need to see movie randys1 Feb 2015 #126

I have Netflicks. longship Feb 2015 #131

Are you a believer or not? cbayer Feb 2015 #136

are you a moderator of this forum? or whatever you call them here? randys1 Feb 2015 #137

No. Why do you ask? cbayer Feb 2015 #138

Just so you know, this person is the self appointed leader of the self selected Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #152

I could choose to believe if certain pieces of evidence became available to me. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #147

Um, because some people manage to learn things skepticscott Feb 2015 #159

why do some raised with belief no believe and some raised without belief end up believing. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #164

You are again making assumptions with no basis in fact. cbayer Feb 2015 #184

You are again making assumptions with no basis in fact. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #190

I don't understand how my pointing out that you are making non-fact cbayer Feb 2015 #191

Nasty little zinger there at the end. saltpoint Feb 2015 #236

a propensity to belief may be a heritable trait, a specific belief is learned. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #139

Bingo (NT) AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #148

Yes, I heard him say exactly that! PassingFair Feb 2015 #118

Oh crap, this again? We are talking about something he didnt even say? Naturally randys1 Feb 2015 #127

You could take the word of others or just decide for yourself. cbayer Feb 2015 #140

Which is quite different skepticscott Feb 2015 #160

Doubling down on the lie in the OP. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #172

That's usually something the one making the accusation does.... pipoman Feb 2015 #178

I have in post 20, and other places in this thread. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #188

parental rights AlbertCat Feb 2015 #156

Where does nosy idealog neighbor let off and a criminal act begin when speaking of "abuse"? pipoman Feb 2015 #176

Why do people have to lie about what Dawkins says? skepticscott Feb 2015 #2

It's also fun to watch those who whitewash and make excuses... trotsky Feb 2015 #31

Parents should have the right to raise their children in their faith. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #5

Unless there is evidence of actual harm, I agree completely. cbayer Feb 2015 #11

Dawkins is in love with the sound of his voice. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #12

What bothers me the most is that he has a huge missed opportunity here. cbayer Feb 2015 #13

Some of his friends should explain tactics to him. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #14

I suspect, but do not know for sure, that he doesn't take advice well. cbayer Feb 2015 #15

Unfortunately he has an inflated view of himself. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #16

OR, perhaps you are susceptible to media manipulation. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #33

I guess I am just too stupid to comprehend it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #38

Your words, not mine. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #44

You words were clear enough. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #46

Honestly, I think you are blinded by your dislike of/outrage with Dawkins, and it doesn't AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #50

Some can say the same about you and several other podters in this room when it comes to religion. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #53

Except I'm honest enought to go verify the context and wording of the article AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #173

No, bullshit. He and Krauss together answered that question perfectly. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #23

+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #34

Yeah he has the bility to turn people off. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #39

Dawkins is in love with the sound of his voice. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #166

Exactly, if you want to tell your kids they will burn in hell for eternity if they are gay.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18

Unfortunately people spread the evil of homophobia. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #19

I know, there's anti homosexual passages even in the atheist scriptures.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #24

Well I don't pay attention to them in my scripture. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #26

There may not be passages of scripture but there are homophobes cbayer Feb 2015 #28

I did say most of us rather than all.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #30

You know, I am really going to object to this. cbayer Feb 2015 #35

I don't personally know any other members of my community Fumesucker Feb 2015 #51

? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #56

What difference does that make? cbayer Feb 2015 #58

Do you think homophobia is as common among atheists as Christians (for instance)? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #59

I can tell you that I have met homophobic atheists. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #61

My mother was an antique dealer, I grew up around gay men, they are common in the antique world Fumesucker Feb 2015 #64

My experience in general with athiests is that they are live and let live. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #66

My father was a minister. I grew up around gay men and lesbians. cbayer Feb 2015 #68

Gays who were openly gay were quite uncommon where and when I grew up.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #128

They were quite uncommonly out pretty much everywhere. cbayer Feb 2015 #135

Way to dodge the question. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #78

What was the question? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #80

Post 59. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #81

i answered him in another thread I think but to answer you I don't have any links or data to back hrmjustin Feb 2015 #82

Thank you. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #84

No, I think it's more prominent among christians. cbayer Feb 2015 #63

What aspect of their Atheism leads to having those viewpoints? Alittleliberal Feb 2015 #123

I'm not saying they are the same, except that they are both bigotry. cbayer Feb 2015 #129

Unfortunately people spread the evil of homophobia. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #167

I am well aware that religion has spread it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #168

Don't hurt yourself scrambling after that dog whistle. Your response is bullshit and reveals AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #20

I love you too AC! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #22

Yeah, I knew you wouldn't spend the time to watch the video and find out the truth. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #25

Still love you. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #27

Wish you loved the truth instead. How you feel about me is irrelevant. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #29

I did watch it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #36

Maybe you should watch it again. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #41

I watched it three times. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #42

So then what does your comment about parents having the right to teach their kids their AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #47

Dawkins never mentioned public schools and considering his history I don't trust him. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #48

It was part of the interviewers question. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #52

The questioner never asked about public schools but yes it coukd see how you see it that way. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #54

Yes, he did. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #67

Oh yes he did. I typed it out for you upthread. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #73

I don't need your help. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #74

So, it's willful ignorance then. Ok. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #76

. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #77

I'm agnostic on my most religious days, and I find Dawkins insufferable. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #32

I raised the question above as to what extent he may have indoctrinated cbayer Feb 2015 #40

Exactly. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #49

He's not talking about households. He's talking about state schools. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #70

How does one indoctrinate one into not believing in invisible men in the sky? randys1 Feb 2015 #130

Listen to one of Dawkins's lectures. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #132

Does he have one where he teaches people NOT to believe in leprechauns? randys1 Feb 2015 #134

Yeah!!! God is the same as leprechauns!! cbayer Feb 2015 #142

No, he doesn't. You're a victim of the author of this article's agenda. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #75

But the Bible is perfectly consistent with current science. No really. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #37

Well, I"ve never heard it explained in exactly that way, but cbayer Feb 2015 #43

And your endorsement of this "explanation"... trotsky Feb 2015 #202

I did not read cbayer's post as an endorsement guillaumeb Feb 2015 #238

Eve is a dick joke Lordquinton Feb 2015 #155

Just because I think you should know this. cbayer Feb 2015 #186

great graphic guillaumeb Feb 2015 #197

I really enjoyed your explanation and had never heard it before. cbayer Feb 2015 #198

do you mean guillaumeb Feb 2015 #201

Ever since I learned of this years and years ago, I have believed cbayer Feb 2015 #205

do you mean that guillaumeb Feb 2015 #196

I can't tell if this is sarcasm... MellowDem Feb 2015 #194

consider the argument another way guillaumeb Feb 2015 #200

How is the Bible "validated"... MellowDem Feb 2015 #207

my interpretation of the Adam's rib story guillaumeb Feb 2015 #208

I'm not sure... MellowDem Feb 2015 #209

the original post seems to state guillaumeb Feb 2015 #210

Science and faith are at odds... MellowDem Feb 2015 #211

Oh Jesus Christ Heddi Feb 2015 #220

do I get a t-shirt for being in the top 20? guillaumeb Feb 2015 #237

The best way to "protect" your child is to not force religious beliefs on them, and to be open to leveymg Feb 2015 #57

Agree, including being open to atheism. cbayer Feb 2015 #69

Of course, along with all other religious belief systems. leveymg Feb 2015 #71

"We can all differ in such speculation without killing each other over it." cbayer Feb 2015 #72

There is hope for humanity, after all. But, that's also an expression of faith. leveymg Feb 2015 #88

Lol! I would also add that the human imagination and capacity for love cbayer Feb 2015 #95

It's an assertion of the primacy of evidence Fumesucker Feb 2015 #86

Fact is, we just aren't smart enough to know that. leveymg Feb 2015 #89

It goes back to evidence.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #91

I like Arthur C. Clarke's vision of our recent past a lot better than the present prospect for leveymg Feb 2015 #94

"the validity of all faiths" trotsky Feb 2015 #99

All are valid to those who hold them. leveymg Feb 2015 #102

I think we are all in a position to judge merit. trotsky Feb 2015 #105

By "like-minded others" I include those willing to civilly discuss difference. leveymg Feb 2015 #108

So, what do you do with all other human beings? trotsky Feb 2015 #112

I stop trying to talk to them. leveymg Feb 2015 #116

Well that will make ISIS go away. trotsky Feb 2015 #117

The trouble with just stopping talking to them is that it cedes ground to them muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #179

if faith is defined as a belief system, then guillaumeb Feb 2015 #103

I'm going to mock a belief that views women as the inferior sex. trotsky Feb 2015 #106

those individual beliefs are no more a reflection of guillaumeb Feb 2015 #109

There are many people who identify with a particular faith... trotsky Feb 2015 #111

I cannot tell anyone anything. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #119

Baloney. You just did. trotsky Feb 2015 #124

Humanity has unquestionably one really effective weapon�laughter. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #151

I hate to piss on your parade... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #120

So does one give up all attempt at dialogue guillaumeb Feb 2015 #125

you've admitted that faith is immune to evidence. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #141

faith has been defined as the willing suspension of disbelief guillaumeb Feb 2015 #195

again, I've conceded that the true believers are a lost cause. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #199

somewhat harsh, but warranted in may cases guillaumeb Feb 2015 #204

MLK didn't coddle up to white authorities and ask for a polite discussion. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #153

I have been begging people to shame the bigots, racists, liars, etc. It is the only way randys1 Feb 2015 #133

I have absolute photographic, scientific proof of the birth of the FSM, and the date it occurred> leveymg Feb 2015 #114

Everyone knows that the photos of the guillaumeb Feb 2015 #122

Yes, yes. eom saltpoint Feb 2015 #158

What about explicitly teaching a specific religion in state schools? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #150

I like spaghetti. And I love the saltpoint Feb 2015 #157

For all you well-travelled Dawkins critics that don't know what denominational school means. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #169

Dawkins. Pretty smart guy. He's right about saltpoint Feb 2015 #170

"Children need to protected from religious indoctrination in school." pokerfan Feb 2015 #177

I think we all agree, the problem is that in Ireland, there are hardly any schools cbayer Feb 2015 #187

Before you proclaim we all agree, why don't you delete or edit post 4? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #189

I don't agree, for one Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #192

Allow me to clarify. cbayer Feb 2015 #193

Typical dodge. You've clarified nothing. saltpoint Feb 2015 #235

Anyone who watched... deathrind Feb 2015 #203

Yep, that's the kind of thing that one could make a case for protecting kids against. cbayer Feb 2015 #206