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212. Hi, trotsky. Yep. Dawkins has only to walk

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 06:21 PM

Feb 2015

onto a stage and begin speaking, and no matter what point he's making -- and he makes many very good ones all the time -- there's a group that just can't deal with him.

Which is why he deserves to be heard.

It would be good if young people all over the place paid him some mind instead of listening to the establishment Church folks who try to bat him down.

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Richard Dawkins: Children need to be �protected� from religion [View all] cbayer Feb 2015 OP

People need to be protected from idealogs who wish to take pipoman Feb 2015 #1

What do you think about parents telling their children... trotsky Feb 2015 #3

They will get what they deserve....estrangement from their kids... pipoman Feb 2015 #8

That is hardly guaranteed. trotsky Feb 2015 #9

Children suffer all the time... pipoman Feb 2015 #90

Yes, which is why we do things to help. trotsky Feb 2015 #93

We are all entitled to our opinions pipoman Feb 2015 #110

So the Mormon cults where they marry young kids? Is that OK? Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #115

Every state has standards for what constitutes "abuse" few disagree with . .. pipoman Feb 2015 #175

Personally I draw the line at child abuse Lordquinton Feb 2015 #154

Some would say raising a child a vegetarian is abuse, pipoman Feb 2015 #174

Enjoy the view from your ivory tower. trotsky Feb 2015 #182

I agree that this is a very slippery slope. cbayer Feb 2015 #4

Why don't you try asking him? Try actually finding something out skepticscott Feb 2015 #6

Well, my friend, that's a bit of a straw man. longship Feb 2015 #7

Dawkins' position about children's inherent lack of belief really has no basis in fact. cbayer Feb 2015 #10

Re: balancing the rights of parents. longship Feb 2015 #17

When you say "secular education", do you then exclude all parochial schools? cbayer Feb 2015 #21

I would argue that the Jesuits do a very fine job at secular education. longship Feb 2015 #45

I agree with much of what you say. cbayer Feb 2015 #55

When you say "parochial education", are you talking about state-funded education muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #79

I think we use different terminology in the states. cbayer Feb 2015 #83

"Public schools are publicly funded. Private schools are not." trotsky Feb 2015 #85

I've only seen the edited video in the OP muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #87

I can't disagree, but I think he missed a great opportunity cbayer Feb 2015 #92

The transcript of that bit is in #20 muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #96

What is being proposed that would eliminate a parent's right cbayer Feb 2015 #97

The state doesn't provide denominational schools in the USA, though muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #98

That's good news, right? cbayer Feb 2015 #101

Dawkins' position about children's inherent lack of belief really has no basis in fact. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #161

Well, since i assume you are someone who relies on facts and reason cbayer Feb 2015 #181

No, cbayer, the issue really *is* whether children are born with a specific religion. trotsky Feb 2015 #183

In agreement here. Kids will eventually saltpoint Feb 2015 #213

Ooooo. You said 'brainwashed' !! saltpoint Feb 2015 #214

Freaked out? Hardly. cbayer Feb 2015 #215

Yeah, but you know, what you're fond of saltpoint Feb 2015 #216

You asked me why I didn't like him, and I gave you my reasons. cbayer Feb 2015 #217

He's gotten under your skin, looks like. saltpoint Feb 2015 #218

Under my skin? Screaming in the streets? cbayer Feb 2015 #219

Just can't help but notice how saltpoint Feb 2015 #221

He doesn't annoy me. I disagree with him on multiple issues cbayer Feb 2015 #222

Three articles on Dawkins in a month? saltpoint Feb 2015 #223

Yes, out of over 60. cbayer Feb 2015 #224

Didn't think you could handle it. saltpoint Feb 2015 #225

Yes, I am fully defeated, have only petty points, am very small and cbayer Feb 2015 #226

Don't turn tail, now. You posted the saltpoint Feb 2015 #228

How dare Dawkins come out against thousands of years of dogma and brainwashed minds. randys1 Feb 2015 #227

Yep. the sheer outrage of an intelligent saltpoint Feb 2015 #229

You can see it with who you are arguing with, they are uncomfortable, uncertain. randys1 Feb 2015 #230

And that makes sense in the way a humane saltpoint Feb 2015 #232

Yes, yes. I am very uncomfortable, very uncertain. cbayer Feb 2015 #233

You're the one passing judgment. saltpoint Feb 2015 #234

Dogma is another of my favorite films. cbayer Feb 2015 #231

They are born non believers phil89 Feb 2015 #60

Do you have any evidence at all to support your statement. cbayer Feb 2015 #62

Besides the entirety of human history gcomeau Feb 2015 #100

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. cbayer Feb 2015 #104

But evidence of absence is evidence of absence. gcomeau Feb 2015 #107

Not posting any more than this F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #113

I disagree very much with you and do not think it is utterly ridiculous at all. cbayer Feb 2015 #121

Well, we disagree then. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #143

Yes, you have made it clear that you think it's preposterous. cbayer Feb 2015 #144

There is a predisposition to faith in general, but you are correct. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #146

Thanks for the link. nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #149

You are confusing predisposition to faith, and innate knowledge of organized faith. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #145

Yes. This thread would have gotten off saltpoint Feb 2015 #171

"kind of a sour whiff" - saltpoint, you have a way with understatement. :) trotsky Feb 2015 #180

Hi, trotsky. Yep. Dawkins has only to walk saltpoint Feb 2015 #212

Behavior and knowledge are not the same skepticscott Feb 2015 #185

BASICALLY EVERYTHING AlbertCat Feb 2015 #162

Please reacquaint yourself with the word "knowledge". gcomeau Feb 2015 #163

I know what knowledge means..... Mr Snarky AlbertCat Feb 2015 #165

Yup. That's basically my opinion, too. But Santa is a different story... ;-) nt longship Feb 2015 #65

Religious belief is of course learned...Some of these folks need to see movie randys1 Feb 2015 #126

I have Netflicks. longship Feb 2015 #131

Are you a believer or not? cbayer Feb 2015 #136

are you a moderator of this forum? or whatever you call them here? randys1 Feb 2015 #137

No. Why do you ask? cbayer Feb 2015 #138

Just so you know, this person is the self appointed leader of the self selected Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #152

I could choose to believe if certain pieces of evidence became available to me. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #147

Um, because some people manage to learn things skepticscott Feb 2015 #159

why do some raised with belief no believe and some raised without belief end up believing. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #164

You are again making assumptions with no basis in fact. cbayer Feb 2015 #184

You are again making assumptions with no basis in fact. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #190

I don't understand how my pointing out that you are making non-fact cbayer Feb 2015 #191

Nasty little zinger there at the end. saltpoint Feb 2015 #236

a propensity to belief may be a heritable trait, a specific belief is learned. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #139

Bingo (NT) AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #148

Yes, I heard him say exactly that! PassingFair Feb 2015 #118

Oh crap, this again? We are talking about something he didnt even say? Naturally randys1 Feb 2015 #127

You could take the word of others or just decide for yourself. cbayer Feb 2015 #140

Which is quite different skepticscott Feb 2015 #160

Doubling down on the lie in the OP. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #172

That's usually something the one making the accusation does.... pipoman Feb 2015 #178

I have in post 20, and other places in this thread. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #188

parental rights AlbertCat Feb 2015 #156

Where does nosy idealog neighbor let off and a criminal act begin when speaking of "abuse"? pipoman Feb 2015 #176

Why do people have to lie about what Dawkins says? skepticscott Feb 2015 #2

It's also fun to watch those who whitewash and make excuses... trotsky Feb 2015 #31

Parents should have the right to raise their children in their faith. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #5

Unless there is evidence of actual harm, I agree completely. cbayer Feb 2015 #11

Dawkins is in love with the sound of his voice. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #12

What bothers me the most is that he has a huge missed opportunity here. cbayer Feb 2015 #13

Some of his friends should explain tactics to him. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #14

I suspect, but do not know for sure, that he doesn't take advice well. cbayer Feb 2015 #15

Unfortunately he has an inflated view of himself. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #16

OR, perhaps you are susceptible to media manipulation. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #33

I guess I am just too stupid to comprehend it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #38

Your words, not mine. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #44

You words were clear enough. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #46

Honestly, I think you are blinded by your dislike of/outrage with Dawkins, and it doesn't AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #50

Some can say the same about you and several other podters in this room when it comes to religion. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #53

Except I'm honest enought to go verify the context and wording of the article AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #173

No, bullshit. He and Krauss together answered that question perfectly. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #23

+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #34

Yeah he has the bility to turn people off. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #39

Dawkins is in love with the sound of his voice. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #166

Exactly, if you want to tell your kids they will burn in hell for eternity if they are gay.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18

Unfortunately people spread the evil of homophobia. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #19

I know, there's anti homosexual passages even in the atheist scriptures.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #24

Well I don't pay attention to them in my scripture. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #26

There may not be passages of scripture but there are homophobes cbayer Feb 2015 #28

I did say most of us rather than all.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #30

You know, I am really going to object to this. cbayer Feb 2015 #35

I don't personally know any other members of my community Fumesucker Feb 2015 #51

? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #56

What difference does that make? cbayer Feb 2015 #58

Do you think homophobia is as common among atheists as Christians (for instance)? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #59

I can tell you that I have met homophobic atheists. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #61

My mother was an antique dealer, I grew up around gay men, they are common in the antique world Fumesucker Feb 2015 #64

My experience in general with athiests is that they are live and let live. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #66

My father was a minister. I grew up around gay men and lesbians. cbayer Feb 2015 #68

Gays who were openly gay were quite uncommon where and when I grew up.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #128

They were quite uncommonly out pretty much everywhere. cbayer Feb 2015 #135

Way to dodge the question. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #78

What was the question? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #80

Post 59. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #81

i answered him in another thread I think but to answer you I don't have any links or data to back hrmjustin Feb 2015 #82

Thank you. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #84

No, I think it's more prominent among christians. cbayer Feb 2015 #63

What aspect of their Atheism leads to having those viewpoints? Alittleliberal Feb 2015 #123

I'm not saying they are the same, except that they are both bigotry. cbayer Feb 2015 #129

Unfortunately people spread the evil of homophobia. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #167

I am well aware that religion has spread it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #168

Don't hurt yourself scrambling after that dog whistle. Your response is bullshit and reveals AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #20

I love you too AC! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #22

Yeah, I knew you wouldn't spend the time to watch the video and find out the truth. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #25

Still love you. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #27

Wish you loved the truth instead. How you feel about me is irrelevant. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #29

I did watch it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #36

Maybe you should watch it again. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #41

I watched it three times. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #42

So then what does your comment about parents having the right to teach their kids their AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #47

Dawkins never mentioned public schools and considering his history I don't trust him. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #48

It was part of the interviewers question. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #52

The questioner never asked about public schools but yes it coukd see how you see it that way. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #54

Yes, he did. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #67

Oh yes he did. I typed it out for you upthread. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #73

I don't need your help. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #74

So, it's willful ignorance then. Ok. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #76

. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #77

I'm agnostic on my most religious days, and I find Dawkins insufferable. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #32

I raised the question above as to what extent he may have indoctrinated cbayer Feb 2015 #40

Exactly. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #49

He's not talking about households. He's talking about state schools. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #70

How does one indoctrinate one into not believing in invisible men in the sky? randys1 Feb 2015 #130

Listen to one of Dawkins's lectures. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #132

Does he have one where he teaches people NOT to believe in leprechauns? randys1 Feb 2015 #134

Yeah!!! God is the same as leprechauns!! cbayer Feb 2015 #142

No, he doesn't. You're a victim of the author of this article's agenda. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #75

But the Bible is perfectly consistent with current science. No really. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #37

Well, I"ve never heard it explained in exactly that way, but cbayer Feb 2015 #43

And your endorsement of this "explanation"... trotsky Feb 2015 #202

I did not read cbayer's post as an endorsement guillaumeb Feb 2015 #238

Eve is a dick joke Lordquinton Feb 2015 #155

Just because I think you should know this. cbayer Feb 2015 #186

great graphic guillaumeb Feb 2015 #197

I really enjoyed your explanation and had never heard it before. cbayer Feb 2015 #198

do you mean guillaumeb Feb 2015 #201

Ever since I learned of this years and years ago, I have believed cbayer Feb 2015 #205

do you mean that guillaumeb Feb 2015 #196

I can't tell if this is sarcasm... MellowDem Feb 2015 #194

consider the argument another way guillaumeb Feb 2015 #200

How is the Bible "validated"... MellowDem Feb 2015 #207

my interpretation of the Adam's rib story guillaumeb Feb 2015 #208

I'm not sure... MellowDem Feb 2015 #209

the original post seems to state guillaumeb Feb 2015 #210

Science and faith are at odds... MellowDem Feb 2015 #211

Oh Jesus Christ Heddi Feb 2015 #220

do I get a t-shirt for being in the top 20? guillaumeb Feb 2015 #237

The best way to "protect" your child is to not force religious beliefs on them, and to be open to leveymg Feb 2015 #57

Agree, including being open to atheism. cbayer Feb 2015 #69

Of course, along with all other religious belief systems. leveymg Feb 2015 #71

"We can all differ in such speculation without killing each other over it." cbayer Feb 2015 #72

There is hope for humanity, after all. But, that's also an expression of faith. leveymg Feb 2015 #88

Lol! I would also add that the human imagination and capacity for love cbayer Feb 2015 #95

It's an assertion of the primacy of evidence Fumesucker Feb 2015 #86

Fact is, we just aren't smart enough to know that. leveymg Feb 2015 #89

It goes back to evidence.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #91

I like Arthur C. Clarke's vision of our recent past a lot better than the present prospect for leveymg Feb 2015 #94

"the validity of all faiths" trotsky Feb 2015 #99

All are valid to those who hold them. leveymg Feb 2015 #102

I think we are all in a position to judge merit. trotsky Feb 2015 #105

By "like-minded others" I include those willing to civilly discuss difference. leveymg Feb 2015 #108

So, what do you do with all other human beings? trotsky Feb 2015 #112

I stop trying to talk to them. leveymg Feb 2015 #116

Well that will make ISIS go away. trotsky Feb 2015 #117

The trouble with just stopping talking to them is that it cedes ground to them muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #179

if faith is defined as a belief system, then guillaumeb Feb 2015 #103

I'm going to mock a belief that views women as the inferior sex. trotsky Feb 2015 #106

those individual beliefs are no more a reflection of guillaumeb Feb 2015 #109

There are many people who identify with a particular faith... trotsky Feb 2015 #111

I cannot tell anyone anything. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #119

Baloney. You just did. trotsky Feb 2015 #124

Humanity has unquestionably one really effective weapon�laughter. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #151

I hate to piss on your parade... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #120

So does one give up all attempt at dialogue guillaumeb Feb 2015 #125

you've admitted that faith is immune to evidence. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #141

faith has been defined as the willing suspension of disbelief guillaumeb Feb 2015 #195

again, I've conceded that the true believers are a lost cause. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #199

somewhat harsh, but warranted in may cases guillaumeb Feb 2015 #204

MLK didn't coddle up to white authorities and ask for a polite discussion. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #153

I have been begging people to shame the bigots, racists, liars, etc. It is the only way randys1 Feb 2015 #133

I have absolute photographic, scientific proof of the birth of the FSM, and the date it occurred> leveymg Feb 2015 #114

Everyone knows that the photos of the guillaumeb Feb 2015 #122

Yes, yes. eom saltpoint Feb 2015 #158

What about explicitly teaching a specific religion in state schools? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #150

I like spaghetti. And I love the saltpoint Feb 2015 #157

For all you well-travelled Dawkins critics that don't know what denominational school means. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #169

Dawkins. Pretty smart guy. He's right about saltpoint Feb 2015 #170

"Children need to protected from religious indoctrination in school." pokerfan Feb 2015 #177

I think we all agree, the problem is that in Ireland, there are hardly any schools cbayer Feb 2015 #187

Before you proclaim we all agree, why don't you delete or edit post 4? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #189

I don't agree, for one Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #192

Allow me to clarify. cbayer Feb 2015 #193

Typical dodge. You've clarified nothing. saltpoint Feb 2015 #235

Anyone who watched... deathrind Feb 2015 #203

Yep, that's the kind of thing that one could make a case for protecting kids against. cbayer Feb 2015 #206