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edhopper

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154. It's too bad someone like Dawkins

Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:00 PM

Mar 2015

just spins his wheels to debate about God, and not do other things with his life, like becoming a world renown Geneticist.

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It's time for atheists to stop debating God's existence and decide what to do about it [View all] cbayer Mar 2015 OP

"atheists" are simply people who don't believe in gods. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #1

^^^ this ^^^ malokvale77 Mar 2015 #133

Yes, the religionists would love for the debate to move beyond skepticscott Mar 2015 #2

You nailed it. bvf Mar 2015 #8

"both atheists and people who care about social justice" trotsky Mar 2015 #13

Are there two conflicting belief systems here? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #3

" atheism is non-belief without proof. " Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #5

what is the difference bewteen an atheist guillaumeb Mar 2015 #7

That argument again? Cartoonist Mar 2015 #10

Well said. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #135

A great explanation of the null hypothesis. longship Mar 2015 #152

This is a tired argument. Non-belief in existence requires no "leap of faith". Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #11

Because such a unicorn doesn't exist. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #16

""who believes, without proof, that there is no deity"" malokvale77 Mar 2015 #137

Unfortunately, about 60-70% of the population believes without proof. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #138

Indeed,... malokvale77 Mar 2015 #144

Sigh... gcomeau Mar 2015 #54

Yeah, What You Said! bobalew Mar 2015 #79

Oh boy, another stinking pile of false equivalency. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #15

"Whether a person believes in a deity or not, working together to make the world a more just place cbayer Mar 2015 #88

you made the point I was attempting to make guillaumeb Mar 2015 #90

But when those unresolvable things lie at the heart of a disagreement... trotsky Mar 2015 #101

The hurdle that religion represents Cartoonist Mar 2015 #4

Indeed. And what would be the main organizing ideology for the intolerance that the "social justice Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #6

I long ago gave up on the "belief" debate and concentrated on "justice" Panich52 Mar 2015 #9

Well said! goldent Mar 2015 #12

Agree. The hurdle that some religion represents to goals held cbayer Mar 2015 #92

some thoughts on your post guillaumeb Mar 2015 #93

Functionally, I support picking your battles. Rome wasn't built in a day. Change is incremental. pinto Mar 2015 #97

Oh, another asshole, presuming to tell me what I must do. Wundebar. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #14

Perfect reply. (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2015 #139

But that claim is often used against non-believers. longship Mar 2015 #153

Gods forbid okasha Mar 2015 #17

And what the holy fuck makes you think bvf Mar 2015 #18

Read the thread, dude. okasha Mar 2015 #19

It is a smear Cartoonist Mar 2015 #20

So you've examined all of our lives and Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #21

Perhaps that's because bvf Mar 2015 #22

Yes, and you know all about what we do in our lives skepticscott Mar 2015 #27

What a crock of shit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #41

Totally agreed. trotsky Mar 2015 #23

I love this post! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #25

Why? bvf Mar 2015 #28

I love it because it pisses some off here. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #29

Well, that's about as lucid an argument bvf Mar 2015 #31

I guess I am just too stupid to make a lucid argument. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #32

From your lips bvf Mar 2015 #33

For the record if a jury is called for your post I hope they don't hide on my aaccount. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #34

For the record, bvf Mar 2015 #35

I will return the favor. I wish you well. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #36

Of course you do. Because it's a disingenuous load of claptrap. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #42

And yet you had no problem insinuating that Leontius Mar 2015 #45

Bull shit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #46

Bull shit right back at ya Leontius Mar 2015 #105

You give me two options; AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #109

Also, I find it amusing you keep calling me Pilate. You who would murder a man to save AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #136

Please show a response from me where 'I will kill for profit' as you say Leontius Mar 2015 #145

Well, you sure played up being agahst at the idea that I WOULD NOT murder that man on the side track AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #146

Revealed knowledge from an atheist. Somehow that strikes me as really ironic. Leontius Mar 2015 #147

Revealed? Your language has been quite clear. How many negative adjectives have you dropped? AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #148

Jury service jaded_old_cynic Mar 2015 #48

Woah. Thanks, appreciate you posting that. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #49

That was a useful alert. okasha Mar 2015 #63

One non-hide outweighs all of the other religious privilege hides from countless bullshit alerts...? truebrit71 Mar 2015 #70

Because one result proves a trend. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #72

I love it because it pisses some off here. AlbertCat Mar 2015 #59

Whatever. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #80

Quality rebuttal there. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #84

hey how's your campaign for forced ignore going? Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #113

Fell flat on my face and got spit out. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #114

Look, we're all adults here, you win some, you lose some. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #142

Indeed! My apologies for jumping in a thread carelessly and not thinking it through. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #143

gallant keyboard warriors should get up off their butts and actually DO something. AlbertCat Mar 2015 #58

What are you typing on? A consecrated zither? djean111 Mar 2015 #128

Really? malokvale77 Mar 2015 #141

Interesting article and an interesting point of view I've not heard much talk of. pinto Mar 2015 #24

I think that there is an opportunity here that we should support. cbayer Mar 2015 #81

Agree. I contacted Freedom From Religion this morning, via email, about just that. pinto Mar 2015 #87

First we have to encourage people to read past the headlines cbayer Mar 2015 #130

"once you no longer believe the claims of religion, what do you believe?" Lordquinton Mar 2015 #26

It's time all religious people edhopper Mar 2015 #30

Strongly agree. Let's support both religious and secular groups that do just that. cbayer Mar 2015 #83

I no more think the religious will stop edhopper Mar 2015 #116

Who are "the religious" that you refer to, because you certainly aren't describing everyone. cbayer Mar 2015 #117

I rewrote my reply edhopper Mar 2015 #120

there can never be a resolution, in my opinion, about belief and non-belief, guillaumeb Mar 2015 #37

Sure there can be: produce your gods. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #38

If faith is defined as the willing suspension of disbelief guillaumeb Mar 2015 #39

As always the religious run away to the Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #40

Worse, they put limits on their supposedly advanced/unlimited being thing. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #44

there is a difference between ability and desire guillaumeb Mar 2015 #61

I'm getting tired of people echoing back caveats I already acknowledged as if they thought of it AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #64

again, the difference between ability and desire is what I am talking about guillaumeb Mar 2015 #65

I referenced desire specifically. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #69

again referring to the fish in a pond guillaumeb Mar 2015 #62

Does the fish have "free will?" What if the owner wants to hide? immoderate Mar 2015 #78

"Does the fish in a fish farm pond wonder about the owner of the farm?"? Wow, deep, man. mr blur Mar 2015 #91

Multiverse theory came from science, not religion, so uh... AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #43

but the multiverse theory can be used to support religion guillaumeb Mar 2015 #67

That's a truly disgusting position. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #71

when I spoke of imposing my beliefs guillaumeb Mar 2015 #89

..Then why did you reply to me? AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #104

Do you know that catfish is ignorant of it's pond? Lordquinton Mar 2015 #47

no more catfish for me. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #95

Wow. You have "knowledge about some things"? You don't. DetlefK Mar 2015 #55

Next they're gonna ask atheists Lordquinton Mar 2015 #50

blah... uriel1972 Mar 2015 #51

No, apparently we atheists are so stupid and single-minded... trotsky Mar 2015 #56

So stupid and single-minded we can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #57

The key difference in so many of these discussions, sadly: trotsky Mar 2015 #66

No, apparently we atheists are so stupid and single-minded... AlbertCat Mar 2015 #60

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #68

Religious people are as likely to be involved in social justice as atheists. whathehell Mar 2015 #102

" at least those of the non- right wing persuasion" Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #115

For an atheist, that would be "Much Ado About Nothing." Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #52

LOL... yeah, right after I figure out what to do with unicorns and the tooth fairy. procon Mar 2015 #53

Another flamebait post about atheists Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #73

^This! Nailed it exactly Curmudgeoness! (nt) LostOne4Ever Mar 2015 #74

I would ask that you look at my post #98 and tell me what is wrong with this article? cbayer Mar 2015 #99

It makes an unwarranted and negative assumption about atheists.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #118

Malarkey. The bulk of the article describes groups that are very cbayer Mar 2015 #119

Read the damn title Fumesucker Mar 2015 #123

I read the title and then I read the whole article. cbayer Mar 2015 #124

I read the title and didn't bother with the rest of the attack Fumesucker Mar 2015 #125

You didn't get past the title? cbayer Mar 2015 #126

No, I get more than enough of that sort of crap in my personal life Fumesucker Mar 2015 #127

Yep. It's really crappy to hear about groups of young atheists who are working cbayer Mar 2015 #129

You don't live in the same environment I do, not by a long shot Fumesucker Mar 2015 #131

I understand that it all depends on your perspective cbayer Mar 2015 #132

I feel that it is flame bait because of its introductory remarks LostOne4Ever Mar 2015 #150

That's an implication that you read into it, but I don't think he says that at all. cbayer Mar 2015 #151

What he says, plain as day: trotsky Mar 2015 #163

"just what it intended" trotsky Mar 2015 #75

Inescapable conclusion: Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #82

And Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #94

Not quite. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #85

Not for lack of trying. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #96

I am curious as to why you would think this just "another flame bait"? cbayer Mar 2015 #98

I object to a lecture to "atheists" Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #107

What makes this a lecture? cbayer Mar 2015 #108

"It is written by an atheist". Maybe. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #110

Right. It's a false flag. cbayer Mar 2015 #111

Honestly, I don't think you will ever see the problem with this Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #121

Honestly, I think exactly the same about you. cbayer Mar 2015 #122

Well, golllllllley! PassingFair Mar 2015 #171

Why should atheists do anything? My Good Babushka Mar 2015 #76

There are lots of religious people who aren't praying for social justice Mariana Mar 2015 #86

Being an Atheist myself Politicalboi Mar 2015 #77

I think that is the point the author makes. cbayer Mar 2015 #100

So where is it written that atheists have to choose? trotsky Mar 2015 #103

And the mistake the author makes is, in assuming I/we aren't already doing so. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #112

Oh, I don't have any theoretical questions or debate - I just do not believe in a god or gods. djean111 Mar 2015 #106

Interesting article and ideas. nilesobek Mar 2015 #134

The pursuit of justice requires that we keep debating the existence of god. enki23 Mar 2015 #140

Disagree. Whether a god exists or not is not going to change whether we cbayer Mar 2015 #149

It's too bad someone like Dawkins edhopper Mar 2015 #154

When do you imagine was the last time Dawkins engaged in any basic science? cbayer Mar 2015 #155

His first book about the God being unnecessary edhopper Mar 2015 #156

That's no what I asked. cbayer Mar 2015 #157

My point was edhopper Mar 2015 #158

Dawkins has made a career (and a small fortune) debating the existence of cbayer Mar 2015 #159

Where is the evidence edhopper Mar 2015 #160

The position that atheists don't do anything "useful" was not made by the author cbayer Mar 2015 #161

That it is useless edhopper Mar 2015 #162

Thinking it is useful cbayer Mar 2015 #164

So you are now edhopper Mar 2015 #166

No more than you are the arbiter of what is useful for me. cbayer Mar 2015 #167

It's the OP edhopper Mar 2015 #170

"The atheist community is quickly coming up against the limits of debating whether God is real." cbayer Mar 2015 #172

His campaign against FGM. trotsky Mar 2015 #165

Plus, he wore a T-shirt once... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #169

In The God Delusion he talks about the evolutionary reason for religion Goblinmonger Mar 2015 #168